This doctrine was plainly taught in the early pre-medieval Christian Church:

Quote:“If anyone says that, because the Lord said ‘In My Father’s house are many mansions,’ it might be understood that in the Kingdom of Heaven there will be some middle place, or some place anywhere, where the blessed infants live who departed from this life without Baptism, without which they cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven which is life eternal: Let him be anathema. For when the Lord says ‘Unless one be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the Kingdom of God,’ what Catholic will doubt that one who has not deserved to be a co-heir with Christ will be a partner of the Devil?” (Pope Zosimus at the Council of Carthage XVI, Canon 3, Denzinger , 30th edition, p.45, note 2).

Of course, Holy "Mother" Catholic Church has changed its/her tune on this one, but if it is true "now" that everyone who is conceived and born will transition from a state of "original sin" to a state of "sanctifying grace," why bother converting at all, or trying to convert anyone else?  If all infants who die in infancy are, in fact, saved, when does the "transition" come for those of them (us) who survive infancy that they (we) need to "convert" back to a state of sanctifying grace?  Or, does any of this still make sense to anyone?

Of course, it's only right .. somehow? [So no, it makes no sense to me.]

That's why they invented purgatory later on. The original version wasn't that popular. On the same lines as the Mass Effect 3 ending, which was revised after the initial shitstorm.

It's kind of hard to say someone is an all loving god, while also saying he lets babies burn forever.

Well, what was the lower age limit for the census, like 30 days old or something ?

If a baby didn't exist as a human being person for reasons of the census, would God/Satan really waste the BTUs to barbecue them for ETERNITY if they died ?

(February 27, 2016 at 10:17 am)Jehanne Wrote: This doctrine was plainly taught in the early pre-medieval Christian Church:

Quote:“If anyone says that, because the Lord said ‘In My Father’s house are many mansions,’ it might be understood that in the Kingdom of Heaven there will be some middle place, or some place anywhere, where the blessed infants live who departed from this life without Baptism, without which they cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven which is life eternal: Let him be anathema. For when the Lord says ‘Unless one be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the Kingdom of God,’ what Catholic will doubt that one who has not deserved to be a co-heir with Christ will be a partner of the Devil?” (Pope Zosimus at the Council of Carthage XVI, Canon 3, Denzinger , 30th edition, p.45, note 2).

Of course, Holy "Mother" Catholic Church has changed its/her tune on this one, but if it is true "now" that everyone who is conceived and born will transition from a state of "original sin" to a state of "sanctifying grace," why bother converting at all, or trying to convert anyone else?  If all infants who die in infancy are, in fact, saved, when does the "transition" come for those of them (us) who survive infancy that they (we) need to "convert" back to a state of sanctifying grace?  Or, does any of this still make sense to anyone?

Well it's nice to see the 'church' catch back up with the actual bible once in a while. In the bible's version it is Christ who decides who is saved and who is not, he does this by a personal examination of one's life. If and when you could comprehend sin and how much of the gospel you were exposed to verse how you responded to said gospel. the parable of the talents sums all of this up. "We are only responsible for what God has given us." Meaning it is not a church or religious movement's clauses, and rituals that saves you, but Christ's own personal judgement.

Quote: Of course, Holy "Mother" Catholic Church has changed its/her tune on this one

It was poor marketing strategy in this age.

And fuck the bible, drippy.

Maybe if a little unbaptized baby had it's head dashed against a stone by a happy soldier God would call that good enough ?

(February 27, 2016 at 11:38 am)Drich Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 10:17 am)Jehanne Wrote: This doctrine was plainly taught in the early pre-medieval Christian Church:


Of course, Holy "Mother" Catholic Church has changed its/her tune on this one, but if it is true "now" that everyone who is conceived and born will transition from a state of "original sin" to a state of "sanctifying grace," why bother converting at all, or trying to convert anyone else?  If all infants who die in infancy are, in fact, saved, when does the "transition" come for those of them (us) who survive infancy that they (we) need to "convert" back to a state of sanctifying grace?  Or, does any of this still make sense to anyone?

Well it's nice to see the 'church' catch back up with the actual bible once in a while. In the bible's version it is Christ who decides who is saved and who is not, he does this by a personal examination of one's life. If and when you could comprehend sin and how much of the gospel you were exposed to verse how you responded to said gospel. the parable of the talents sums all of this up. "We are only responsible for what God has given us." Meaning it is not a church or religious movement's clauses, and rituals that saves you, but Christ's own personal judgement.

So, what happens to kiddos who die without sacramental Baptism, then?

Same as the ones who are;

molested by a priest