(April 5, 2016 at 3:39 am)abaris Wrote:

(April 5, 2016 at 3:31 am)Mathilda Wrote: It's called globalisation. The rest of the world has to put up with it too. Not least from Merkin corporations. Learn to live with it and stop whining.

Or vote in a socialist and get better employee rights.

That in itself won't resolve the problem either. But I can only be amazed at the economical ignorance displayed here, in this very thread. Trump isn't Superman to make American corporations stay. They will still migrate to greener pastured where workers rights are non existent and wages are as low as they get. Lowering taxes, as has been proven since Reagan, doesn't do shit, as long as other countries offer real opportunities for exploitation.

And, as opposed to individuals, migration for companies is easy. They are welcomed with open arms everywhere in the world. Penalize them for moving and apple or google become chinese or indian companies overnight. The larger they are, the easier it is for them to evade anything being thrown at them.

Don't get me wrong I don't think Trump is a miracle worker, or desire him to be dictator, but I'm hoping he will start to reverse the corruption. The key is creating incentives to move manufacturing back to the US, and development new technology. There is a fine line between punishing undesirable behavior and rewarding desirable behavior to get the desired actions. Yes business are in business to make a profit, sell their goods at the highest the market can bear, along with paying employees as little as the market can bear all with competition. 

People should start voting with their purchases. Apple practically runs a slave factory, and has some of the best technology out there. Walmart has some of the most cheaply made products delivering super low prices forcing manufacturers to keep prices low at the same time. Somehow we need to stop the race to the bottom. Buy locally sourced goods to keep local businesses profitable, and the jobs staying in the community. Easier said then done I know.

Globalization is a long term goal, and as the world shrinks it's kind of inevitable, since we all share the same planet. However I personally choose nationalism especially after learning all the tricks globalists use at the higher levels to carry out this plan.

Nor does it alter the fact that even when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people, from maharajas to millionaires and from pukkha sahibs to pretty ladies, will hate the new world order, be rendered unhappy by frustration of their passions and ambitions through its advent and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to estimate its promise we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people. 
-- H G Wells 
The New World Order (1940)

https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Well...rder-3.pdf

(April 5, 2016 at 4:09 am)Mathilda Wrote: A socialist won't stop globalisation but it will help workers get a better deal.

Not that globalisation is a bad thing. Scooby complains about importing of cheap labour such as IT from India, but if they didn't those workers would still exist. The difference being that all the IT would be done in India and not America and America would be worse off as it loses out on taxes.

Protectionism never works. Say Drumpf starts to giving an unfair competitive edge to American products being sold in America, then all the other countries in the world do the same against American goods. Then America finds that they it is only selling to itself and is worse off.

As has been pointed out many times on this thread so far and constantly ignored by the Drumpf supporters, if you stop immigrants then the cost of living goes up because companies need to spend more on their wages.

Thing is, America is a fading empire and nothing will change that. Empires are built on energy which allow the exploitation of resources. This is what society is built on. Britain was the largest empire in history at its peak. This happened because of the exploitation of steam power and copious coal reserves. America had its oil and the internal combustion engine. Now all the other countries are catching up.  Drumpf can say that he will make America great again but unless he develops something akin to fusion power or cheap asteroid mining then it won't happen.

Empires come to an end in a variety of ways. Britain was lucky in that it gave away most of its colonies but we're still cursed with the empire mentality when we should accept that we are a small country. Most empires fall. Some remain as religions and exert global control that way (e.g. Catholicism and Wahhabism)

Small companies will still need in house IT support, it's really the major corporations doing the outsourcing. Problem is they simply pay people less. Even in China now that it's getting more industrialized, they are demanding higher wages to pay for the cars, cell phones other things we take for granted, and it's resulting in some companies moving to cheaper places, or developing automation to replace workers.

In theory, if we get rid of illegal immigration or migrants, companies would have to raise wages to attract workers, and then raise prices, but when people are making a little more, they can afford more with a larger disposable income. Not that simple I understand, but with competition it should work itself out. It is a balancing act. You don't want to destroy an industry wiping out the jobs entirely leaving more people unemployed.

Agree empires come and go. If only the military projects would start releasing the new technology they have to replace fossil fuel dependency. However they are not because it would disrupt fragile economies, infrastructure, and trade to the point that it will remain state secrets for a while longer until the breaking point. On top of that we have the petrol dollar and the agreements with OPEC to sell oil in US dollars which the US is not going to give up anytime soon because it's essential in the monopoly of power. There is going to be a revolution soon I think though, and from the ashes something will rise. I just hope it's not totalitarian world dictatorship ruled by a few. Unless people start learning about that power behind the scenes, we will be fighting over insignificant issues that don't really get us anywhere.

Quote: America would have made the transition better if it had invested properly in its people and education.

The Koch brothers wouldn't tolerate that.

(April 5, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: America would have made the transition better if it had invested properly in its people and education.

The Koch brothers wouldn't tolerate that.

      The Koch brothers have been a major problem for quite sometime now. They've blocked most every clean renewable resource from being fully utilized in America, as well keeping an ageing source of power that causes major damage to the planet.

Sobering news for Trump and Cruz from Wisconsin

Exit polls from the primary there reveal only 65% of Republicans there would vote for Cruz in November and only 61% for Trump. The rest would either vote 3rd party, stay home or vote for Hillary Clinton. Wisconsin is a swing state so this is bad news for the Republican Party's twin bastard stepchildren.

(April 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm)Sterben Wrote:

(April 5, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The Koch brothers wouldn't tolerate that.

      The Koch brothers have been a major problem for quite sometime now. They've blocked most every clean renewable resource from being fully utilized in America, as well keeping an ageing source of power that causes major damage to the planet.

I agree.  They need to be killed.

(April 5, 2016 at 9:20 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Sobering news for Trump and Cruz from Wisconsin

Exit polls from the primary there reveal only 65% of Republicans there would vote for Cruz in November and only 61% for Trump. The rest would either vote 3rd party, stay home or vote for Hillary Clinton. Wisconsin is a swing state so this is bad news for the Republican Party's twin bastard stepchildren.

Keep an eye out for the rules committee meeting the week before the republicunt convention.  If they change 40 B,  Trump is going to go birdshit and Cruz won't be far behind him.

(April 5, 2016 at 10:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(April 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm)Sterben Wrote:       The Koch brothers have been a major problem for quite sometime now. They've blocked most every clean renewable resource from being fully utilized in America, as well keeping an ageing source of power that causes major damage to the planet.

I agree.  They need to be killed.

Jeezes! You're nuts, Min.

The problem isn't the grusome twosome per se. There will always be dickweeds like that. Kill them and two more will take their place. Nature abhors a vacuum and all that. The problem is the system which allows them to thrive. I think the you and Sterben overstate their power though. I think that kind of pessimism is counterproductive. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you think these dickheads have the power to shoot down any good you might do, you aren't likely to bother doing much good. Thank goodness for guys like Elon Musk who will shove it down their throat - whether they like it or not. I wish I could afford to buy one of his Model 3 cars. He deserves all our support.

I try.

(April 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm)Sterben Wrote:

(April 5, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The Koch brothers wouldn't tolerate that.

      The Koch brothers have been a major problem for quite sometime now. They've blocked most every clean renewable resource from being fully utilized in America, as well keeping an ageing source of power that causes major damage to the planet.

They can't do it by themselves.  The system is loaded with corrupt skunks who will sell their mommies for a penny.  Those skunks are the real problem.