LMFAO

(April 11, 2016 at 10:55 am)Chad32 Wrote: Because they're fully capable of functioning within society, as long as they're allowed to modify their body/style to fit how they see themselves. Same with gay people. Just let them do what they want, and they won't have more destructive issues later. If you don't allow them to express themselves properly, it will only make things worse. Higher suicide rates, for instance. Being gay or transgender doesn't make people more suicidal. How society treats them does.

Ah.. no. Not what I asked.

I asked if there is a psychological diagnosis that shows a mental disorder due to a measurable quantifiable factor such as brain Chemistry or a hormonal imbalance (or any of the other factors listed in the GID diagnosis) how then do we as a society not consider this a mental illness?

Gender Identity Disorder clearly falls under the definition of the term 'mental illness.' So then my question to you is why is it not treated as one?

"Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors."

so the the follow up is a logical one. in that why are people with a diagnosiable mental disorder setting policy for society?

This has been answered. Did you even read through the responses?

(April 11, 2016 at 11:09 am)abaris Wrote: Disgusting and uninformed as usual. Wonder why there's no link coming with that diatribe. Probably because the source is yet another apologist with no credit to his name.

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=...er&f=false

I did not post a link because most of you aren't into heavy reading. You want to read and think in politically correct sound bites. I didn't care to look for one.

(April 11, 2016 at 11:55 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Transgender here. You can kindly go fuck yourself.

I don't care if you are a transmission, the question stands. If GID is a recognized mental disorder then why is it not considered a mental illness? If it is a mental illness then why is the country allowing mentally ill people set social policy?

(April 11, 2016 at 11:58 am)drfuzzy Wrote: I have to admit that I don't really understand the transexual mindset.  I haven't experienced it myself, I can't imagine desperately wanting to be a different sex.  However, I have a friend with a transexual son.  I watched Marcie struggle with depression all through her teenage years, and into her early 20's.  Then Marcie started to transition.  She became Anderson.  Anderson is a handsome, short, lightly built young man - you would not know he was born female if you met him.  
     And Anderson is happy.  He is outgoing when he once was terribly shy.  He has re-enrolled in college, when he once wanted to leave school forever.  He has family, he has friends, he has hope.

I don't understand it but I celebrate and support it.  I have never met a transexual who wanted anything other than to present themselves publicly as the person that they believe they are inside. 

It's really sad when Christians, who are supposed to follow a teacher who held up a Samaritan (a person the Jews thought were scum of the earth) for admiration, who ate with tax collectors and all sorts of "sinners" and treated them with compassion, get angry when we object to them HATING AND JUDGING PEOPLE.

I'm not judging anyone Dr douche, I simply asked a question.

(April 11, 2016 at 12:30 pm)Evie Wrote: Transexuals do not suffer from a mental disorder at all.

Your gender identity is completely separate from the biological sex you were born with. To feel different to how you are born is not a mental illness, it's part of your personality not your mental state.

The personality and the identity is what counts.

It's not about mental health, it's about personal identity.

As per the this list of books.. it would indeed seem to be a physiologically diagnosed disorder.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=gen...MQgQMIGzAA

It's called Gender Identity disorder or GID.

(April 11, 2016 at 1:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote: Transsexuals suffer from a diagnosable affliction called Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder. So then how is this not a mental illness if the word/term mental illness literally means:

Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.
(as per the Mayo clinic)

If this is a mental disorder, then why do we allow the patients to run the asylum? Why do we have mentally compromised people trying to set a national policy that allows them to indulge their disorder?

would we allow people afflicted with Munchhausen access to their kids? Or if you want to look at other people who just hurt themselves, would we allow people who want to cut themselves places they could do so?

You have a weirdly arbitrary idea of what mental illness is, that belies a rather fundamental lack of understanding of even the basic underpinnings of what you're seeking to discuss. And I don't mean transgenderism or body dysphoria, I mean psychological medicine.

See, when we treat a person for a mental condition, it is not the sole goal of the treatment that the condition vanishes completely: for a number of things that might not be possible, and for others the side effects of doing so might be prohibitively negative to the point that they outweigh the benefits. If someone had a mental illness, for example, that caused them great depression but also immense intelligence, the goal for treating that person would not be to reduce the depression and the intelligence, and devising a treatment regimen that allows him to retain that intelligence is not "allowing the patient to run the asylum," it's a simple recognition that some symptoms are neutral or positive to the overall wellbeing of the patient.

And that is the point of psychiatric medicine, Drich: management of the condition such that people can function in their lives. It never has been just complete, thoughtless eradication of every symptom, heedless of the overall health of the patient.

It's here that we get to the arbitrary nature of your argument: so, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Fine, okay, let's take that as the premise of your argument: why are you then assuming that allowing a transgender person to transition as much as they are comfortable with doesn't count as a treatment? It alleviates the symptoms of gender dysphoria very effectively, with no cost, all things being equal (read: without bigots like you desperately trying to make life hard for others because all you have is hate and all you can do is pick and prod and reduce the happiness of everyone around you) to the health and safety of the transgender person, and in fact can enhance their overall happiness by allowing them to live as a more authentic version of themselves. It meets all the criteria of an effective treatment that requires no necessary medical intervention and allows the person to go on with their lives with a minimum of ongoing psychiatric care. There's a clear argument to be made there that it is, at the current time, the best possible treatment available, and yet you don't count it as a treatment at all... because you don't like it. As though your personal opinions are what dictate psychiatric care standards.

And if you're tempted to respond that transgender people are more likely to be mentally ill or commit suicide, that they get assaulted and killed more frequently and so on, I would point out that all those are symptoms of bigotry against the transgender community exacerbating their life issues, not necessarily something inherent to transgenderism. That is, it's a product of letting the bigots run the asylum without justification, and in contravention to basic standards of care. Your fault, not theirs.

I'm going to repost this; I hope Esq. doesn't mind. It bears repeating because it specifically addresses, in detail, the issue of mental illness you are so butt hurt over. The fact that you are repeating yourself leads me to believe you didn't read her response.

(April 11, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Divinity Wrote: Being a transgender is not a mental disorder.  Not all transexuals have gender dysphoria for starters.  Gender dysphoria is not the only thing that makes people transgender.  Thinking otherwise is just wrong.  I know they make you uncomfortable.  Just like gay people make you uncomfortable.  Guess what?  Your religious bullshit makes other people uncomfortable and they let you be.

Ah, no GID is any behavior that put one at odds with his or her gender at birth. GID is the over all term used to describe someone who has issue with their gender, not the reason why.

(April 11, 2016 at 12:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote: Transsexuals suffer from a diagnosable affliction called Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder. So then how is this not a mental illness if the word/term mental illness literally means:

Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.
(as per the Mayo clinic)

If this is a mental disorder, then why do we allow the patients to run the asylum? Why do we have mentally compromised people trying to set a national policy that allows them to indulge their disorder?

would we allow people afflicted with Munchhausen access to their kids? Or if you want to look at other people who just hurt themselves, would we allow people who want to cut themselves places they could do so?

WTF is wrong with you?  You are such a bigot.  What if you woke up tomorrow and looked down in the shower and saw the opposite genitalia from what you have now?  Would you be happy with the answer: "well too bad, you just have to get on with life and learn to live with it!"  

You are one of the worst people I've ever known...on the Internet.  [emoji45]

oh, wait I don't care what you think if you are not rational enough to discuss the details of this disorder.