(April 12, 2016 at 1:09 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Perhaps the answer is for us all to stop having hang ups about our bodies and have a more European attitude. I went swimming at a pool in France, there was only one changing room and no booths. the French people just whipped their clothes off, while me and the future Mrs Plumb struggled to keep our English reserve with copious use of towels. Apparently she saw it as an ordeal but I think the French had the better attitude.

As I remember the french were also keen on having open boarders and invited a butt load of unvetted refugees in their country, and we can see how that worked out..

Just because it is done here or there does not mean it is a sound or even a culturally adaptable thing to do.

(April 12, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Drich Wrote: All you have to do now is get the medical community to label religion a mental illness, and we will be 3/4 the way home according to the book of revelation.

They already have

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42551-po...pid1246265

Maybe you should get off the forum and start preparing instead.

That shit deserves its own thread. Where's Min when you need him?

Like I said, homosexuality used to be considered a disorder and it obviously isn't anymore. If the Mayo Clinic still consider transgenderism a disorder they haven't caught up with the times yet.

(April 12, 2016 at 1:14 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Instead of repeating this page after page, why don't you substantiate this ridiculous claim that those with mental disorders make or dictate the rules for society, as opposed to -- oh, I don't know -- duly elected lawmakers? 

Because as I've already pointed out 'law makers' are influenced by the GLBT vote, or at the very least by their buying power, and those they buy from.

Quote:North Carolina and Mississippi have enacted legislation that I assume you approve of. There's been some blowback as a result of this legislation, and both states may suffer mild economic consequences as a result of their decisions -- something Indiana learned about last year when they tried to implement laws that much of society (including several major corporations, concerned about their PR images) deemed discriminatory and unacceptable. Indiana walked that shit back in a New York minute when they realized that they don't exist in a vacuum, that they weren't in step with current mores concerning the treatment of gay people, and that their decision had real consequences.

My example was with georgia they were due to loose 6 billion dollars in revenue when the film industry threatened to pull out if their version of the Miss/Nc. Law passed.

Which demonstrates that it is not the law makers with the power. Clearly the people of Georgia wanted this law to pass, but the 'law makers' freted over cut funding and folded the will of the people to the will of the corporations. This more than anything should scare ALL of US! If a company like Disney or Film actors guild can threaten and change policy/law what else can they manipulate?

Quote:Your nattering about political correctness and the insanity of letting mentally ill people make the rules for everyone else is nothing more than a smokescreen for your personal disapproval of our society's evolving standards of acceptance for gay and transgender people. As for the business end of this issue, yes, states are free to enact legislation that does not run afoul of the federal Constitution and that state's constitution. What they're not free from is the disapproval of society. If they want to take the hit, fine. If not, then they might have to re-evaluate their stance, as Indiana did. But they can't have it both ways.

Again My concern is not with the 1%ers. its with the those looking to exploit those laws

(April 12, 2016 at 1:19 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 1:14 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Instead of repeating this page after page, why don't you substantiate this ridiculous claim that those with mental disorders make or dictate the rules for society, as opposed to -- oh, I don't know -- duly elected lawmakers? 

What if Christianity is a mental disorder? Or any other religion? Mirror mirror on the wall

According to revelation it will be outlawed right before the end. So you have that to look forward to.

(April 12, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Drich Wrote: All you have to do now is get the medical community to label religion a mental illness, and we will be 3/4 the way home according to the book of revelation.

Seems the APA agree with you Chird. Not before time either, you can either get some help or keep backing away into that dark deluded corner you call belief. Or cling to that disgusting shite book of Revelation of course.

"According to the American Psychological Association (APA), a strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power, to the point where it impairs one’s ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, will now be classified as a mental illness."

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/health/apa-to...l-illness/

(April 12, 2016 at 2:16 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 12:19 pm)Drich Wrote: nuupe. I'm asking if Mentally ill people should be allowed to set policy/Make laws.

On the whole the world would be a better place if they did not.

American Psychological Association To Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness

Wow. Wow! Is this for real?

(April 12, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 10:26 am)Drich Wrote: Seriously?

Yes seriously.

You didn't answer my question. Maybe you need to define what a mental illness is.

I have like 6 different time including in the OP

The American Psychiatric Association stopped classifying Transgenderism as a mental illness in 2012. That was fucking four years ago. I know you like living in the 30's. And by that I mean the 30's as in 30 AD. But 2000 years have passed.

(April 12, 2016 at 1:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Drich Wrote: As I've said many many times. I don't 'know' anything. But I research EVERYTHING. Some of it sticks.

I seek and search for primary source material and if it interests me I will study it. Then I question what I know and what is popularly believed. Then some of the more hypocritical topics I like to discuss.

See, that the problem with most of you. You think your smart because you think you 'know stuff' when in truth you are only comfortable with what you think you know. which 99 times out of 10 is wrong.

I on the other hand make no qualms that I am an idiot. which pushes me to look everything up even words people like you take for granted (like mental illness) then I cross reference it at least 2 other times, and even sometimes I will seek an opposing view and refute it before I go with something.

Which makes me right, (most of the time) not smart.

99 times out of 10?  Damn, you are good!  [emoji6]. Jk.  Seriously though, if you don't want to discuss the ideas relevant to this issue, then I'm not really seeing a point to this thread.

The point is to have a topical conversation. to push you people past what you are comfortable discussing and try and force a 'big picture' over view.

Again what you said "you don't even know what the OP is about" was me discussing (for the sake of discussion) what treatment means in light of this conversation. (nothing) Why? because I do not care what transsexuals do nor how they live their lives so long as I am not forced to enable a mentally ill person.