(April 13, 2016 at 11:12 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:13 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yep!  And this should be the END of the discussion, right here.

I mean, I can't even think of one time where I was peeing in a public bathroom and thinking to myself...'gee, I wonder if the lady in the stall next to me has a dick?'

never used a 'trough' before huh? (don't use the men room at a nascar event)

Never mind seeing another dude's junk the goal here is not to get his splash back on you, or worse yet having the guy next to you be firing in a couple different directions and nail you full on..

We're not talking about a trans-woman trying to pee standing up at a trough (or even a urinal) (or even in the men's room). We're talking about your paranoia about men dressing as women to attack women. Women pee in stalls. Look it up.

In both cases, the trans people will most likely use a stall, regardless. So unless you think they're prone to "whipping it out" in the middle of the room and showing people, then you're talking about something that will never happen. Strawman.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:17 am)abaris Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 11:15 am)Crossless1 Wrote: Getting pissed on by a stranger at a NASCAR event could be the closest Drich might come to sharing Jesus' thought/feelings. Not sure why he'd avoid it.

I thought that was an exclusive treatment at soccer stadiums.

I think it's true of any large gathering of yahoos.

(April 13, 2016 at 9:43 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 4:25 pm)Vincent Wrote: Yes, because as you know, your daughter would feel SUPER comfortable to be greeted by this transman when she walks into the women's restroom.

 

According to the logic of Drich.

lol

That's like looking down the barrel of an disassembled gun.

Yes normally looking down that barrel (with all parts intact) can be very intimidating, but when you know the 'bang' is taken out of the gun, then it becomes a paper weight.

That is literally the worst and most immature response to this actual legitimate issue I have ever heard.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:21 am)Vincent Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 9:43 am)Drich Wrote: lol

That's like looking down the barrel of an disassembled gun.

Yes normally looking down that barrel (with all parts intact) can be very intimidating, but when you know the 'bang' is taken out of the gun, then it becomes a paper weight.

That is literally the worst and most immature response to this actual legitimate issue I have ever heard.

Drippy's new to you, huh?

(April 13, 2016 at 10:20 am)BlackBird Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Drich Wrote: probably cause your a douche making up a narrative as you go rather than sticking to what I've said. I suggested that the minority should not make enforceable laws for the majority. Especially when the minority is suffering from mental illness. Not only that those 'laws' also open up a 'loop hole' for sexual predators to exploit.

Again, it looks like we are so concerned about being P/C we are willing to check basic thought at the door.

 

Fair enough, there are lots of people in this thread. You accuse me here of making up a narrative. I was specifically addressing your question about people with mental illness making policy and strong implications that transgender people are basically mentally incompetent. I was just wondering what "narrative" I have made up because if I have misunderstood you, I'd like to address that.

The narrative is that all trans gendered people are mentally incompetent.

My argument is that the mentally ill should not be making policy for 99% of society.

What you seem to be doing is making the jump that I think all transsexuals are mentally incompetent. I did not. I cited the Mayo clinic for my numbers. 1% of the population struggles with GID of that 1% a fraction seeks medical help (most of which because they want to get a sex change and can't without a Dr. signing off.) that means a majority who suffer from Gender Identity Disorder go untreated. That fall under the definition of a mental ill.

So then I ask a question if the mentally represent a majority of this Group (transsexuals/people who suffer from untreated GID) why are they making rules for everyone else?

Then I went on to say that those who indeed have surgery (meaning they have stepped through all the treatment and psyc evalus needed for surgery) can indeed use the other bathroom, and no laws need be changed because physically/technically they are man/woman

It is the mentally ill/untreated that should not be able to come and go when and where they please. let alone be allowed to influence or change a law that opens our women and children to any perv who want to put on a dress and do what pervs do in women's bathrooms.

Now does your evaluation reflect the facts I have made in this post or in this thread? the answer is no. That is why I observed that you were creating your own narrative.

(April 13, 2016 at 10:25 am)Crossless1 Wrote: And he continues to use that word 'dictate'. I'm still waiting to see evidence that transgender people are dictating a goddamn thing, as opposed to wielding what little influence they have to effect change through appropriate channels.

seriously?

do you not know what the word means or are you unaware that lgbT policies are circumventing laws people in certain states what to put into place?

(April 13, 2016 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:25 am)Crossless1 Wrote: And he continues to use that word 'dictate'. I'm still waiting to see evidence that transgender people are dictating a goddamn thing, as opposed to wielding what little influence they have to effect change through appropriate channels.

seriously?

do you not know what the word means or are you unaware that lgbT policies are circumventing laws people in certain states what to put into place?

Yes, seriously. I know what 'dictate' means. I also understand the difference between "LGBT policies circumventing laws people in certain states want to put in place" and those same states walking back their policies in the face of corporate disapproval and possible loss of revenue. Yesterday, you were aware of this same distinction. How did you forget that quickly?

(April 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote: Again, GID by it's very name is a mental disorder which again fits the clinical definition of a mental illness. (one that takes treatment to alleviate one way or another.)

And again, you keep on about GID, which is going away as a diagnostic category in DSM once the fifth edition comes out. Why do I have to repeat this again?

IDK how you do not understand this yet, but I use proper/offical terms when I speak/write. I also choose my words very carefully and use them in accordance to their actual definitions.

As of 11:33am est on 4-13-16 GID is the proper clinical term. That is what I am going with till it changes.

(April 13, 2016 at 10:58 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 9:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: But...if they do want to transition, and transitioning is the care plan decided upon by patient and therapist, how can you justify denying them access to the bathroom which they gender identify with?

Asked and answered (youve asked this already)

Maybe you did understand what I said.. so I'll dumb it down.

If dude trades his frank and beans in for a roast beef sandwich then s-he can use the lady's bathroom.

If dude is just playing dress up/lets pretend what is isn't then he has to hold it or use the mens room.

Lol, that was in no way an answer. But thanks for trying.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:27 am)Drich Wrote: The narrative is that all trans gendered people are mentally incompetent.

My argument is that the mentally ill should not be making policy for 99% of society.

What you seem to be doing is making the jump that I think all transsexuals are mentally incompetent. I did not. I cited the Mayo clinic for my numbers. 1% of the population struggles with GID of that 1% a fraction seeks medical help (most of which because they want to get a sex change and can't without a Dr. signing off.) that means a majority who suffer from Gender Identity Disorder go untreated. That fall under the definition of a mental ill.

So then I ask a question if the mentally represent a majority of this Group (transsexuals/people who suffer from untreated GID) why are they making rules for everyone else?

Then I went on to say that those who indeed have surgery (meaning they have stepped through all the treatment and psyc evalus needed for surgery) can indeed use the other bathroom, and no laws need be changed because physically/technically they are man/woman

It is the mentally ill/untreated that should not be able to come and go when and where they please. let alone be allowed to influence or change a law that opens our women and children to any perv who want to put on a dress and do what pervs do in women's bathrooms.

Now does your evaluation reflect the facts I have made in this post or in this thread? the answer is no. That is why I observed that you were creating your own narrative.

Holy hells, dude. They're not mentally incompetent. Do you even know anything about GID? It's a condition like depression (also in the DSM-V) which affects the individual who has not transitioned for whatever reason. Being in the DSM doesn't make a condition psychotic in some way.

Read. About. It.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

Signs and symptoms

Symptoms of GID in children include disgust at their own genitalia, social isolation from their peers, anxiety, loneliness and depression. According to the American Psychological Association, transgender children are more likely to experience harassment and violence in school, foster care, residential treatment centers, homeless centers and juvenile justice programs than other children.

Adults with GID are at increased risk for stress, isolation, anxiety, depression, poor self-esteem and suicide. Studies indicate that transgender people have an extremely high rate of suicide attempts; one study of 6,450 transgender people in the United States found 41% had attempted suicide, compared to a national average of 1.6%. It was also found that suicide attempts were less common among transgender people who said their family ties had remained strong after they came out, but even transgender people at comparatively low risk were still much more likely to have attempted suicide than the general population. Transgender people are also at heightened risk for certain mental disorders such as eating disorders.

In 2014, a researcher found that the brains of adolescents with gender dysphoria react to the sex hormone androstadienone in a measurable way similar to the brains of people of the gender with which the person identifies.

(ETA: Internal citations omitted.)