(April 11, 2016 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote: ....

If this is a mental disorder, then why do we allow the patients to run the asylum? Why do we have mentally compromised people trying to set a national policy that allows them to indulge their disorder?

Um, because there is a treatment for gender identity disorder?

Quote:would we allow people afflicted with Munchhausen access to their kids? Or if you want to look at other people who just hurt themselves, would we allow people who want to cut themselves places they could do so?

Once they got better, yes. Like, if they were successfully treated, y'know?

You are assuming your analogy holds for all relevant aspects of the situation, but it doesn't necessarily follow that because people have a problem in one area, they are therefore unsuitable for all other areas that you would like them to be unsuitable for.

I suppose that's what happens when you base your philosophy on adages.

(April 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Additionally...if being gay WAS a choice...so what?  That's still no reason to treat them like shit.

. . . unless, of course, the Supreme Being, God Almighty, the inconceivably powerful and wise creator of the universe, who loves us very much, whose majesty cannot be expressed, just happens to be as small-minded and humanly petty as some of his biggest fans.

(April 13, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: . . . unless, of course, the Supreme Being, God Almighty, the inconceivably powerful and wise creator of the universe, who loves us very much, whose majesty cannot be expressed, just happens to be as small-minded and humanly petty as some of his biggest fans.

Nevermind. If they eat shellfish, wear cloth of different fabrics or cut their hair, they're in the same category as gays. So, eternal condemnation it is, since god cosiders all of this abominations.

(April 13, 2016 at 3:18 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: . . . unless, of course, the Supreme Being, God Almighty, the inconceivably powerful and wise creator of the universe, who loves us very much, whose majesty cannot be expressed, just happens to be as small-minded and humanly petty as some of his biggest fans.

Nevermind. If they eat shellfish, wear cloth of different fabrics or cut their hair, they're in the same category as gays. So, eternal condemnation it is, since god cosiders all of this abominations.

But Paul was apparently ok with all of that, so it doesn't count. Homosexuality, on the other hand . . .

So what were looking at, realistically, is an X-factor style panel of bigots outside each toilet block, telling each person which area they belong in.

(April 13, 2016 at 3:47 pm)robvalue Wrote: So what were looking at, realistically, is an X-factor style panel of bigots outside each toilet block, telling each person which area they belong in.

LOL. Some guy with a megaphone is announcing: "To keep our line moving as quickly as possible, please come with your flies unzipped and genitals prepared for inspection! Thank you for your patience!"

Lol, right!

And the trans folk are expected to fess up and walk over for inspection. As if their lives aren't fucking hard enough already with all these cavemen around.

Talk about creating problems out of nothing.

(April 13, 2016 at 1:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think the most important argument is that there are plenty of women out there who would not feel comfortable with a physical male going into the women's bathroom/lockerroom while they are in there doing their thing. 

But to force trans people to use bathrooms that align with their physical sex, that means you can run into this guy in the bathroom/locker room. 



Someone who might have the body of a man but the genitals of a female. How much more comfortable will that make you?

And if you were to alert the police upon seeing him, how would he prove he was a female? 

Pull out his birth certificate? How many people carry that around with them?

Pull down his pants? And then be fined when he refuses to comply? Or worse; allows his privacy and basic human rights to be violated?

The government will never go through the time or effort to place a third restroom in public areas all across the country, and we both know that. 

Easy and simpler solution: Let the transmen pee in the men's room. And let the transwomen pee in the women's bathroom. You aren't solving the problem by stopping it. You are creating more.

Just like many people are saying on this forum, they are fully functional in society, just like may people with mental or physical disabilities are.
You have a real discrimination problem, man. What's the problem with people just being who they want to be. They're not hurting anyone except themselves; when dicks like you come into their lives and say they can't be who they want to be.

(April 13, 2016 at 4:09 pm)Vincent Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 1:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think the most important argument is that there are plenty of women out there who would not feel comfortable with a physical male going into the women's bathroom/lockerroom while they are in there doing their thing. 

But to force trans people to use bathrooms that align with their physical sex, that means you can run into this guy in the bathroom/locker room. 



Someone who might have the body of a man but the genitals of a female. How much more comfortable will that make you?

And if you were to alert the police upon seeing him, how would he prove he was a female? 

Pull out his birth certificate? How many people carry that around with them?

Pull down his pants? And then be fined when he refuses to comply? Or worse; allows his privacy and basic human rights to be violated?

The government will never go through the time or effort to place a third restroom in public areas all across the country, and we both know that. 

Easy and simpler solution: Let the transmen pee in the men's room. And let the transwomen pee in the women's bathroom. You aren't solving the problem by stopping it. You are creating more.

Yes, I addressed this situation when I used Cait Jenner as an example.

I don't know about the Government never doing that. A third bathroom would benefit a lot of people going through difficult situations, not just trans people.