(April 15, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Jello Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I haven't kept up with CL's posts but can you point to where she said that all perverts are men, meaning that no women are perverts?  Did CL ever say that no women are perverts in a post?  Could you copy and paste where she said it because I've never seen it.

As far as i've seen, whenever she's talked about perverts, it's always been men perving on women, when quite the opposite does happen, which was what i was referring to with my request to acknowledge that the opposite does happen. She hasn't explicitly stated it, but without acknowledging the other at all, it does come off as such.

Well, we were talking about it first and she jumped in much after the fact, so it's not her fault.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:23 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I wasn't specifically talking about bakers making cakes for gays in my example I was talking about hiring policies.  But yes that comparison does also work as I pointed out in my other post.

They both involve people having control over what they own.

One is providing a service. The other one is just a person minding her own business. And since when does having sex with a man mean I am offering up control over what I own? What planet do you live on?

I didn't say offering up control or offering up a service.  

I'm saying when a woman wants to have sex with a man and has sex with a man she's utilizing control over what she owns.

When a person hires who they want to hire or sells to who they want to sell to they're utilizing control over what they own.  (if it is the owner of the business doing the hiring)

(April 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)Jello Wrote: Also, CL, do us a favour and stop assuming all perverts are men please, we're not all a bunch of dickbags.

Where i live, i've seen and been subject to a lot more sexual harassment from women, than from men. (Not that i haven't seen men do stupid shit, of course.) So please stop with that silly assumption, it just serves to annoy people.

I don't even think she's given her opinion so much as say why she thinks people feel certain ways. But we happen to be specifically talking about men who pretend to be trans. It's not her saying that she thinks only men are pervs.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:23 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)Jello Wrote: Also, CL, do us a favour and stop assuming all perverts are men please, we're not all a bunch of dickbags.

Where i live, i've seen and been subject to a lot more sexual harassment from women, than from men. (Not that i haven't seen men do stupid shit, of course.) So please stop with that silly assumption, it just serves to annoy people.

She isn't doing that.  It's just the line of thought we happened to be discussing at the moment.

Fair enough. Just consider i wandered into the thread late, and that's all i saw.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:26 pm)Jello Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:23 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: She isn't doing that.  It's just the line of thought we happened to be discussing at the moment.

Fair enough. Just consider i wandered into the thread late, and that's all i saw.

It's okay...it's been a long, hard train wreck of a thread...pun intended, lol. [emoji6]

(April 15, 2016 at 9:26 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:23 pm)Losty Wrote: One is providing a service. The other one is just a person minding her own business. And since when does having sex with a man mean I am offering up control over what I own? What planet do you live on?

I didn't say offering up control or offering up a service.  

I'm saying when a woman wants to have sex with a man and has sex with a man she's utilizing control over what she owns.

When a person hires who they want to hire or sells to who they want to sell to they're utilizing control over what they own.  (if it is the owner of the business doing the hiring)

I can't even have this discussion with you because I know you're not a moron. Which means you're pretending a position just to try to prove a point. It's dishonest and annoying. I don't have time for it. Argue it with someone else.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:26 pm)Jello Wrote: Fair enough. Just consider i wandered into the thread late, and that's all i saw.

It's okay...it's been a long, hard train wreck of a thread...pun intended, lol.  [emoji6]

Is a thread about a controversial topic ever not train wreck-y?

Anyways, apologies CL, I totally jumped the gun there, too used to that assumption being used far too much D:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Jello Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I haven't kept up with CL's posts but can you point to where she said that all perverts are men, meaning that no women are perverts?  Did CL ever say that no women are perverts in a post?  Could you copy and paste where she said it because I've never seen it.

As far as i've seen, whenever she's talked about perverts, it's always been men perving on women, when quite the opposite does happen, which was what i was referring to with my request to acknowledge that the opposite does happen. She hasn't explicitly stated it, but without acknowledging the other at all, it does come off as such.

It doesn't come of as such really.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: They use mirrors and plant hidden cameras.

Do you think there is a legitimate reason to believe that disallowing transwoman to continue using whatever restroom they're comfortable using will decrease the risk of this happening?

This is the key to it all, C_L. How does allowing trans people the choice in bathrooms affect sexual predators setting up mirrors and hidden cameras in bathrooms? I really hope you can step outside of this for a bit and see how these two things are not related, and that bathroom laws don't do anything to prevent this from happening.

Peeping in a bathroom is a felony, and these bathroom ordinances have very small civil penalties, if any. It is ridiculous to argue that these bathroom bills will do more than existing laws to prevent someone from setting up mirrors and cameras in bathrooms, and that their expressed gender has literally nothing to do with it.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:30 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Jello Wrote: As far as i've seen, whenever she's talked about perverts, it's always been men perving on women, when quite the opposite does happen, which was what i was referring to with my request to acknowledge that the opposite does happen. She hasn't explicitly stated it, but without acknowledging the other at all, it does come off as such.

It doesn't come of as such really.

I already apologized for it

Just consider as aforementioned; I jumped in late, plus 2:30am is not exactly Prime brain time