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(April 18, 2016 at 3:15 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Wait, is this dude some kind of Holocaust denier? I've never heard someone forward the notion that the Jews were being kept "safe" in the camps. That's just nutso.
I mean, the Jews do believe some fairy tales, don't get me wrong, but the Holocaust was definitely a real thing that happened, and I reeeally don't think it was about helping the Jews do anything except die faster.
If the intent was to kill all of the Jews why go through the trouble of building all of those concentration camps, making prisoner uniforms, staffing the camps with guards, and feeding them for years? I know the Nazis were stupid but doing all of that if the intent to was kill them is just retarded.
Six million dead Jews would beg to differ. I'm sure they felt like the Nazi death machine was quite efficient.
Besides, if you've never killed six million Jews, don't try to dictate how Hitler should have done it.
Also, if he was trying to press them into Palestine, why would he imprison a couple million in his own country?
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
(April 18, 2016 at 5:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If the intent was to kill all of the Jews why go through the trouble of building all of those concentration camps, making prisoner uniforms, staffing the camps with guards, and feeding them for years? I know the Nazis were stupid but doing all of that if the intent to was kill them is just retarded.
Hitler was a Catholic and he spent a lot of time around a gang of Catholic priests. What's one of the basic tenets of Christianity? The Jews' rightful place is the "holy land". I posted evidence that the Zionist plan was to get the German Jews to move to Palestine. Between the wars they tried all kinds of schemes to get them to move there. Various groups collected money to buy them land there. The English gave them citizenship there as soon as they got off the boat. A few went but the majority simply wasn't interested in making the move. Hitler did his part by lighting a flame under their asses but they still wouldn't leave. And then the war broke out.
So Hitler was stuck with a bunch of Jews that he had been trying to shoo out of the country for years. The Zionists had incited them to become domestic enemies so they couldn't be trusted during the war. Then the Nazis built a lot of concentration camps (just like the US and Canadians did) and tossed the Jews in them. Of course they killed a few but countless others are still alive and kicking this very minute.
Hell, if Hitler had wanted to kill them he could have had the SS cut their throats, hit them upside their heads with mallets, used them as cannon fodder against the Russians, or put them in the cities so that the Allies would firebomb them. Instead they were lounging about in the countryside far from bombs and conflict. Some got skinny but even so they survived their lockup.
Therefore, the BS that the Nazis were trying to kill all of the Jews is just a propaganda fairy tale so that they can guilt-trip the West into forking over the loot to Israel. Herzl got what he wanted, a Jewish State, and the dummies in the West are still paying for it. They are so fearful that people will wise up that in some countries they have made it a crime to even discuss their lie.
I know you are fearful of bursting into flames but read Theodor Herlz's "The Jewish State" https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso...erzl2.html, the biblical fairy tale, the New York Times archives (it has countless articles recording daily events. There's a fee for some of them). And listen to the BS that the Zionist preachers, like John Hagee, spew. And read about Pope Piux XI = "The Pope told Mussolini that the church had long seen the need to "rein in the children of Israel" and to take "protective measures against their evil-doing". The Vatican and the fascist regime had many differences, but this they had in common." http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/ma...zer-review
And don't forget, the Western bankers funded the Nazis.
Quote:"Reign in the children of Israel".......
Wow, that sounds alot like Drumpf and Mexicans and Muslism. Drumpf wants to take "protective measures".
(April 18, 2016 at 9:39 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(April 18, 2016 at 5:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If the intent was to kill all of the Jews why go through the trouble of building all of those concentration camps, making prisoner uniforms, staffing the camps with guards, and feeding them for years? I know the Nazis were stupid but doing all of that if the intent to was kill them is just retarded.
Six million dead Jews would beg to differ. I'm sure they felt like the Nazi death machine was quite efficient.
Besides, if you've never killed six million Jews, don't try to dictate how Hitler should have done it.
Also, if he was trying to press them into Palestine, why would he imprison a couple million in his own country?
During the war a Zionist tried to sell the lie that the Nazis had killed 8 million Jews. Even the dummies in Washington said that that was too much BS so they haggled it down to 6 million.
As I pointed out, the intent was to get the Jews to leave (alive) and go invade Palestine. The problem was that the majority didn't want to leave. So the Zionists and Hitler had to ramp up the pressure on them to force them out. Even then they insisted on staying, like in the Old Testament. Some got killed and others got tucked away from danger in the concentration camps. America and Canada were also throwing Jews in concentration camps and even sent some to Germany while bullets were zinging and bombs were bursting.
When the war was over they finally got a lot of the Jews to invade Palestine and everyone was happy, except for the Palestinians who are still sad to this day. The fairy tale believers hope that once the Jews in Israel are killed off that the magic zombie Jesus will return and take the believers to heaven where they will have eternal life. All of these events revolve around that.
The story isn't over because the deluded fanatics are still running the show. They still haven't gotten all of the Jews in one spot but they are working on it. Gotta bring about Zephaniah chapter 1.
April 18, 2016 at 2:33 pm (This post was last modified: April 18, 2016 at 2:34 pm by downbeatplumb.)
(April 18, 2016 at 5:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(April 18, 2016 at 3:15 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Wait, is this dude some kind of Holocaust denier? I've never heard someone forward the notion that the Jews were being kept "safe" in the camps. That's just nutso.
I mean, the Jews do believe some fairy tales, don't get me wrong, but the Holocaust was definitely a real thing that happened, and I reeeally don't think it was about helping the Jews do anything except die faster.
If the intent was to kill all of the Jews why go through the trouble of building all of those concentration camps, making prisoner uniforms, staffing the camps with guards, and feeding them for years? I know the Nazis were stupid but doing all of that if the intent to was kill them is just retarded.
Hitler was a Catholic and he spent a lot of time around a gang of Catholic priests. What's one of the basic tenets of Christianity? The Jews' rightful place is the "holy land". I posted evidence that the Zionist plan was to get the German Jews to move to Palestine. Between the wars they tried all kinds of schemes to get them to move there. Various groups collected money to buy them land there. The English gave them citizenship there as soon as they got off the boat. A few went but the majority simply wasn't interested in making the move. Hitler did his part by lighting a flame under their asses but they still wouldn't leave. And then the war broke out.
So Hitler was stuck with a bunch of Jews that he had been trying to shoo out of the country for years. The Zionists had incited them to become domestic enemies so they couldn't be trusted during the war. Then the Nazis built a lot of concentration camps (just like the US and Canadians did) and tossed the Jews in them. Of course they killed a few but countless others are still alive and kicking this very minute.
Hell, if Hitler had wanted to kill them he could have had the SS cut their throats, hit them upside their heads with mallets, used them as cannon fodder against the Russians, or put them in the cities so that the Allies would firebomb them. Instead they were lounging about in the countryside far from bombs and conflict. Some got skinny but even so they survived their lockup.
Therefore, the BS that the Nazis were trying to kill all of the Jews is just a propaganda fairy tale so that they can guilt-trip the West into forking over the loot to Israel. Herzl got what he wanted, a Jewish State, and the dummies in the West are still paying for it. They are so fearful that people will wise up that in some countries they have made it a crime to even discuss their lie.
I know you are fearful of bursting into flames but read Theodor Herlz's "The Jewish State" https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso...erzl2.html, the biblical fairy tale, the New York Times archives (it has countless articles recording daily events. There's a fee for some of them). And listen to the BS that the Zionist preachers, like John Hagee, spew. And read about Pope Piux XI = "The Pope told Mussolini that the church had long seen the need to "rein in the children of Israel" and to take "protective measures against their evil-doing". The Vatican and the fascist regime had many differences, but this they had in common." http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/ma...zer-review
And don't forget, the Western bankers funded the Nazis.
The camps raison d etre changed over time. They started off as work camps, with the jews etc being worked to death making the stuff the Nazis needed, but they later transformed into death camps with camps such as Sobibor and Treblinka having no purpose but the industrialised killing of jews. They were cynical killing machines consisting of nothing but a mock train station, "shower rooms" next to the mass graves. (a small camp was adjacent for the jews used to bury the dead and sift through the belongings of the slaughtered masses).
(April 18, 2016 at 2:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The camps raison d etre changed over time. They started off as work camps, with the jews etc being worked to death making the stuff the Nazis needed, but they later transformed into death camps with camps such as Sobibor and Treblinka having no purpose but the industrialised killing of jews. They were cynical killing machines consisting of nothing but a mock train station, "shower rooms" next to the mass graves. (a small camp was adjacent for the jews used to bury the dead and sift through the belongings of the slaughtered masses).
They didn't really change. Death camps like Treblinka or Sobibor were designed to kill the maximal number of people without any delay. But, according to the Wannsee conference, led by Heydrich, working to death was the goal, with the caveat of the survivors being put to death, since they are the most resilliant part of the people.
(April 18, 2016 at 2:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The camps raison d etre changed over time. They started off as work camps, with the jews etc being worked to death making the stuff the Nazis needed, but they later transformed into death camps with camps such as Sobibor and Treblinka having no purpose but the industrialised killing of jews. They were cynical killing machines consisting of nothing but a mock train station, "shower rooms" next to the mass graves. (a small camp was adjacent for the jews used to bury the dead and sift through the belongings of the slaughtered masses).
They didn't really change. Death camps like Treblinka or Sobibor were designed to kill the maximal number of people without any delay. But, according to the Wannsee conference, led by Heydrich, working to death was the goal, with the caveat of the survivors being put to death, since they are the most resilliant part of the people.
That's true but they did not come about till later in the war, whereas Aushwitz and Belsen were primarily work camps with the killing bit added as an extra later.
(April 18, 2016 at 2:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The camps raison d etre changed over time. They started off as work camps, with the jews etc being worked to death making the stuff the Nazis needed, but they later transformed into death camps with camps such as Sobibor and Treblinka having no purpose but the industrialised killing of jews. They were cynical killing machines consisting of nothing but a mock train station, "shower rooms" next to the mass graves. (a small camp was adjacent for the jews used to bury the dead and sift through the belongings of the slaughtered masses).
It's also well-documented that the Nazis had trouble killing "efficiently", at first, and tried various methods before settling on the gassing as a primary method. They wrote extensively on the difficulty of exterminating large numbers of people and "getting rid of" that number of bodies. The extension-camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau was one example of "this isn't working fast enough, so let's build a bigger, more efficient one".
The camps were originally just supposed to hold those who couldn't be held through normal courtroom proceedings for, y'know, actually doing something illegal. They started with political opponents like liberals, and social problems (as they saw it) like gays and the disabled, which they saw as drains on society. With the war effort came a need for more labor, and the camps transformed. Death was a sort of "beneficial" side-effect of the starvation/overworking, until such time as the actual exterminations began, which Hitler (et al) referred to as the "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem". It was the final solution because all the other crap they did just wasn't enough, and they felt it was a problem to be solved.
Sick fucks.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
It's always worthy to point out that jews weren't the only ones being on the extermination radar. That's the only issue I have with the Holocaust narrative. It doesn't do the overall inhumane nature of the regime any justice and adds insult to injury to all the other victims. Of course, the largest homogenous group have been jews, but Sinti and Roma have been nearly as efficiently exterminated as other and less known groups.
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