(April 18, 2016 at 3:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It's also well-documented that the Nazis had trouble killing "efficiently", at first, and tried various methods before settling on the gassing as a primary method.

Considering that in less than half a year, by the end of 1941, about half a million Jews had been murdered within the areas of the Soviet Union conquered by the Nazis I would hardy tell that Nazis had trouble with efficient killing. Shooting was deemed to be too hard on psychic of executioners.

(April 18, 2016 at 3:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: The camps were originally just supposed to hold those who couldn't be held through normal courtroom proceedings for, y'know, actually doing something illegal.

First camp was supposed to be used for imprisoning communists, socialdemocrats and Reichsflagge members. All in all camps were designed as a terror instrument [Richard Evans, The Coming of the Third Reich,s. 351, 352 of Polish edition].

(April 18, 2016 at 3:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Death was a sort of "beneficial" side-effect of the starvation/overworking, until such time as the actual exterminations began, which Hitler (et al) referred to as the "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem".

Extermination begun with invasion of Poland, though it was Polish intelligentsia that was targeted at first [Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands. Europe between Hitler and Stalin, s. 148 of Polish edition]. That does not mean that Jews weren't being killed though.

(April 18, 2016 at 3:39 pm)abaris Wrote: It's always worthy to point out that jews weren't the only ones being on the extermination radar. That's the only issue I have with the Holocaust narrative. It doesn't do the overall inhumane nature of the regime any justice and adds insult to injury to all the other victims. Of course, the largest homogenous group have been jews, but Sinti and Roma have been nearly as efficiently exterminated as other and less known groups.

Term "Holocaust" is used to describe Nazi policy towards Jews and in wider meaning also towards other nations so narrative easily can focus on one particular group of victims, depending on what writer have in mind when he is using the term. But in good literature of the subject Sinti and Roma aren't being neglected. Books about T4 aktion also are available.

As for inhumane nature of regime I think that Evans, Snyder, Kershaw, Burleigh or Longerich are presenting it rather well.

Yes, he was. No, he certainly wasn't a conventional or consistent Christian. But is anybody really a completely conventional or consistent Christian?

Mermaid Wrote:WTF is wrong with you?

He's a Poe.

yes he was.

Oh, great response.

Might give us some additional clues from the extended historical library you obviously read to come to that kind of conclusion.

(April 19, 2016 at 4:29 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Nazis released prisoners from Treblinka after they had completed their sentences.

Between 700,000 and 900,000 people were murdered at the Treblinka extermination camp. You may be thinking of the Treblinka forced labour camp which served the extermination camp and where the survivors of the camp came from. At the Treblinka extermination camp there was nothing but instant death for its victims in the most cynical show of deceit and depravity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_...ation_camp

When I was growing up there was a woman next door who had been a kid at one of the concentration camps I'm thinking Belsen but I can't really remember, she had the tattoo and even then had a haunted look about her.

(April 19, 2016 at 12:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 19, 2016 at 4:29 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Nazis released prisoners from Treblinka after they had completed their sentences.

Between 700,000 and 900,000 people were murdered at the Treblinka extermination camp. You may be thinking of the Treblinka forced labour camp which served the extermination camp and where the survivors of the camp came from. At the Treblinka extermination camp there was nothing but instant death for its victims in the most cynical show of deceit and depravity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_...ation_camp

When I was growing up there was a woman next door who had been a kid at one of the concentration camps I'm thinking Belsen but I can't really remember, she had the tattoo and even then had a haunted look about her.

As I've said before, if the Nazis intended to kill all of the Jews they did a piss-poor job.  No wonder the dummies lost the war.  They were incompetent.  

The intent had always been to get the German Jews to go steal the Palestinian land.  A few did but the majority wasn't interested.  They didn't want to leave Europe.  So the Zionists ratcheted up the pressure to force them to leave.  Once the war broke out Germany couldn't afford to have that many domestic enemies running loose so it locked them up.  And then it couldn't feed that many non-productive people when its army and loyal citizens needed the calories.  So it killed a few.  But in the end they did save a countless number of them and a lot of them are still alive and bitching today. 

All of that happened because too many dummies believed in the biblical fairy tale about how that area is the Jews' "promised land".