"Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves." Leviticus 25:42. "What a nice ver-"
"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves." Leviticus 25:44. "Oh."
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." Ephesians 6:5 "Its metaphorical!"
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20-21 "Indentured servitude?'

Christians don't realize just how dumb their arguments are that defends god's apparent love for slavery.
"It's Metaphorical!" No, it's not. It's explicit. We gain no moral story/lesson from this, it doesn't convey any point. You know what it says? Where you are allowed to get your slaves from/how to beat them/how to be a proper slave.
"Indentured Servitude, slavery was different" Slavery is slavery, wouldn't an all knowing god make it explicit that he means servants? Would he tell you how to beat your servants? No, its slavery, not servitude.

Yup. And either it was moral at the time, according to God, and now he "changed his mind"; or else he still thinks it's moral today. The first option does away with objective morality nonsense.

I would hate to have to try and defend the atrocities in that heinous book.

(April 22, 2016 at 1:12 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: [edit]
Christians don't realize just how dumb their arguments are that defends god's apparent love for slavery.
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That's because they don't realize that they are also slaves. Slaves to a stupid fantasy.

At this time, god loves wealthy slaves more than poor slaves.

(April 22, 2016 at 1:52 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yup. And either it was moral at the time, according to God, and now he "changed his mind"; or else he still thinks it's moral today. The first option does away with objective morality nonsense.

I would hate to have to try and defend the atrocities in that heinous book.

According to God my foot.  
Where is the evidence that God ever said that?
It would be better to say.........according to the story invented by the priests.  

(April 23, 2016 at 10:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: It would be better to say.........according to the story invented by the priests.  

Or by know thy place Paul. Who ultimately is the foundation on which the whole christian belief is built.

(April 23, 2016 at 10:43 am)abaris Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 10:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: It would be better to say.........according to the story invented by the priests.  

Or by know thy place Paul. Who ultimately is the foundation on which the whole christian belief is built.

Paul had a vision.
We all have vision sometime.
Have you not?  
Let us start more religions then.  

(April 23, 2016 at 10:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: We all have vision sometime.
Have you not?  

No, I have not. To quote one of our politicians, who I didn't support at the time, "if I had visions, I would go to see a professional".

Loony.

(April 23, 2016 at 10:55 am)abaris Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 10:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: We all have vision sometime.
Have you not?  

No, I have not. To quote one of our politicians, who I didn't support at the time, "if I had visions, I would go to see a professional".

Well done son.
Unfortunately not everybody who got a vision go to see a professional.
That is why we have hatred, poverty and killing.

(April 22, 2016 at 1:12 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: "Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves." Leviticus 25:42. "What a nice ver-"
"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves." Leviticus 25:44. "Oh."
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." Ephesians 6:5 "Its metaphorical!"
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20-21 "Indentured servitude?'

Christians don't realize just how dumb their arguments are that defends god's apparent love for slavery.
"It's Metaphorical!" No, it's not. It's explicit. We gain no moral story/lesson from this, it doesn't convey any point. You know what it says? Where you are allowed to get your slaves from/how to beat them/how to be a proper slave.
"Indentured Servitude, slavery was different" Slavery is slavery, wouldn't an all knowing god make it explicit that he means servants? Would he tell you how to beat your servants? No, its slavery, not servitude.

It is not taught or discussed widely enough how even in polytheism and monotheism most humans lived. Even in polytheism it was common to turn your enemies into slaves and even in polytheism most people lived under local tribal royalty, and that royalty in whatever form be it a literal god or a "spirit" or "divine force" humans stupidly mistook their success as coming from some sort of magic cognition helping them.

But specifically to all the books of Abraham you have that "GOD" as a title, the king, the immovable ruler. So when you see the words "Lord" "Master" "Servant" or "Slave", that isn't because any god was ever real, but the humans who invented them lived in that time of those social norms.

Not even Buddhism's mythology escapes this. The earliest depictions have the first Buddha being born from Queen Maya whom was told by the "divine world" that she would give birth to a child who would bring wisdom to the world, and his birth as well avoided the standard birth canal out of the vagina. 

Buddha is argued to have existed, but even then, it wasn't a philosophy, but a competition created from the rejection of what that founder, or early founders saw wrong with Hinduism. 

Just like Jesus is traced back to royalty, and rejects the old ways but attaches the Hebrews to his new religion to compete with the old religions. No, that is not saying there is a direct connection between the two. But with our species humans have come up with similar motifs independently because of similar conditions.