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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 2:22 am
(May 10, 2016 at 2:11 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 2:06 am)The_Empress Wrote: Maybe, maybe not, but it's not really worth it in a conversation with someone as shallow as pool.
If the person who pointed out that no true Scotsman would do a certain thing then explained why that is by pointing out that the counterexample someone gave to him was a false one, since that particular Scotsman wasn't really a Scotsman by nationality, but an Italian, how would that be fallacious? It's the same with feminism, if you can reasonably argue why someone doesn't fit the description of a feminist you're in the clear.
I find that people tend to fear ridicule so much they avoid certain common pitfalls when there's no need to do so.
I'm not saying it would be fallacious; I'm saying that the person I was responding to wouldn't get the nuance of it.
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 2:38 am
(May 10, 2016 at 2:06 am)The_Empress Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 2:03 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: You could've said certain feminists aren't true feminists if you also pointed out a specific objective rule for why that is and you wouldn't be committing a NTS fallacy. It only works if you're excluding certain members of a group with no reason.
Maybe, maybe not, but it's not really worth it in a conversation with someone as shallow as pool. 16ft deep enough for you?
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 2:45 am
(May 10, 2016 at 2:22 am)The_Empress Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 2:11 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: If the person who pointed out that no true Scotsman would do a certain thing then explained why that is by pointing out that the counterexample someone gave to him was a false one, since that particular Scotsman wasn't really a Scotsman by nationality, but an Italian, how would that be fallacious? It's the same with feminism, if you can reasonably argue why someone doesn't fit the description of a feminist you're in the clear.
I find that people tend to fear ridicule so much they avoid certain common pitfalls when there's no need to do so.
I'm not saying it would be fallacious; I'm saying that the person I was responding to wouldn't get the nuance of it.
You weren't sure whether it was, it seemed to me.
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 2:45 am
Too bad I'm not an excited seal.
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 3:11 am
(May 10, 2016 at 2:45 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 2:22 am)The_Empress Wrote: I'm not saying it would be fallacious; I'm saying that the person I was responding to wouldn't get the nuance of it.
You weren't sure whether it was, it seemed to me.
Well, EP, sometimes what seems to you isn't actually so. This might be a good lesson for you.
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 4:23 am
(May 10, 2016 at 3:11 am)The_Empress Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 2:45 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: You weren't sure whether it was, it seemed to me.
Well, EP, sometimes what seems to you isn't actually so. This might be a good lesson for you.
It seemed to me too. 
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 4:42 am
(May 10, 2016 at 4:23 am)pool the great Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 3:11 am)The_Empress Wrote: Well, EP, sometimes what seems to you isn't actually so. This might be a good lesson for you.
It seemed to me too.
Not a huge surprise.
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 6:54 am
Why is this thread in the sciences?
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2016 at 9:00 am by Excited Penguin.)
(May 10, 2016 at 3:11 am)The_Empress Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 2:45 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: You weren't sure whether it was, it seemed to me.
Well, EP, sometimes what seems to you isn't actually so. This might be a good lesson for you.
I was being polite, Empress, you weren't sure.
(May 10, 2016 at 2:06 am)The_Empress Wrote: Maybe, maybe not, but it's not really worth it in a conversation with someone as shallow as pool. Bold mine. I wasn't making any assumptions, this is what you said. So instead of blaming me for taking you at your word, maybe be a little more specific about you're really thinking next time.
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RE: "Men's rights activists are pig misogynists,men don't have issues!"
May 10, 2016 at 9:32 am
(May 10, 2016 at 8:59 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: (May 10, 2016 at 3:11 am)The_Empress Wrote: Well, EP, sometimes what seems to you isn't actually so. This might be a good lesson for you.
I was being polite, Empress, you weren't sure.
(May 10, 2016 at 2:06 am)The_Empress Wrote: Maybe, maybe not, but it's not really worth it in a conversation with someone as shallow as pool. Bold mine. I wasn't making any assumptions, this is what you said. So instead of blaming me for taking you at your word, maybe be a little more specific about you're really thinking next time.
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