Quote:Let me get into college first then I will give you such a lashing...

Reminds me of a very old cartoon.

A very old lady, in old fashioned high necked bodice and laces,and an even older man, wearing a quilted smoking jacket, and a fez, sitting by the fire.

The old lady says "Henry, if you say one more time,what you would have said to Oscar Wilde had you thought of it at the time, I shall scream"


Well,I thought it was funny. Subtle, but funny.



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Quote:Quote:But you cannot disprove ancient astronaughts anymore than anyone can prove them.

It's up to the person making the claim to provide the evidence not to others to prove a negative or falsify the claim. This concept is called "the burden of proof". Look it up.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Ok well im not going to argue with you because your at a higher level education than me. But you cannot disprove ancient astronaughts anymore than anyone can prove them.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Science is absolutely true in some area's. Can you not boil water to make it safe to drink? Is that not absolutely true? Do we breath a chemical mixture of gases? Are we multicellular organism? This is absolutely and true stuff. Does the Earth rotate around the sun? Well I would hope we absolutely know this as true.

Boiling water won't make it safe if you consume it in large amounts to provoke water intoxication. So much for an absolute.

I see a lot of characters and words, but no point other than a bunch of rambling facts.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Let me get into college first then I will give you such a lashing...

Someone is due for a rude awakening.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:58 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Following somebodys authority will get you killed, all my friends who went into the military to fight in iraq died, except one. He told me he only survived because he didn't listen and only looked out for himself.

A wonderfully juvenile statement, backed up wonderfully with anecdotes. How absurd and sad would it be if it turned out later that your friend's refusal to listen to orders ended with the death of his fellow servicemen? How would we really know the truth of your statement, the validity of your arguments, when one sees silly shit like this?

Quote:JohnDG Wrote: Following somebodys authority will get you killed, all my friends who went into the military to fight in iraq died, except one. He told me he only survived because he didn't listen and only looked out for himself.

Your friend is lucky to be alive. Such dickheads are a danger to everyone around them. Lucky someone didn't frag his dumb arse.

[quote='Chuck' pid='129198' dateline='1303251080']
[quote]But you cannot disprove ancient astronaughts anymore than anyone can prove them.[/quote]
[quote]You can not disprove the theory that your mother was a complete whore[/quote]

Hey I can prove my mother is a complete whore so why don't you shut the fuck up you prick.

When the fuck did you people ever get the idea that I ever "EVER" said that ancient astronaughts are fucking true. I only ever said it was possible so fuck off.

Do you guy's have some issues where you cannot except the fact somebody says something is possible, and pretend they said it actually happend? Again when the fuck did I ever say it was true. Never.

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[quote]JohnDG Wrote: Following somebodys authority will get you killed, all my friends who went into the military to fight in iraq died, except one. He told me he only survived because he didn't listen and only looked out for himself. [/quote]


Your friend is lucky to be alive. Such dickheads are a danger to everyone around them. Lucky someone didn't frag his dumb arse.
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Yeah the man leading him was some dumbfuck kid who so happend to be younger than him and lead most of their squad members to their death. Why do you assume everyone in the military knows what their doing most of the infantry is below 25 and it's pretty fucking easy to get an officer position now days.

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[quote]A wonderfully juvenile statement, backed up wonderfully with anecdotes. How absurd and sad would it be if it turned out later that your friend's refusal to listen to orders ended with the death of his fellow servicemen? How would we really know the truth of your statement, the validity of your arguments, when one sees silly shit like this? [/quote]

You don't know and could never know the truth, but I will tell you anyways he saved other's from an obvious ambush. Their leader was the dumbfuck who got most of them killed, although I have no way to prove this my friend is credible to me so I don't care what you say.

Would you listen to somebody who obviously doesn't know what their doing in time's of war? I would hope you don't end up as just another body.

Quote:Yeah the man leading him was some dumbfuck kid who so happend to be younger than him and lead most of their squad members to their death.

Quite likely, I had some hopeless officers too. Can't comment on that specific event; I wasn't there,and you are repeating hearsay. (gossip)

However,that situation does not justify the fuckwitted generalisation of "only looking after yourself". That dog don't hunt in the army sonny, or at least not in the army I was in. Based on your description,your mate is a fool and atypical of combat soldiers in what he will say to a civilian. Sounds like a bullshit artist.

Have I known any combat soldiers? Yeah, I served overseas with a few hundred vets in a combat battalion, although I'm not a vet myself.

I actually plan on joining the military, but Im not just going to look out for myself, I want to join simply because I know there are ignorant fuckers who shouldnt be allowed to lead. I want to join because too many people die for stupid reasons and I know that I could atleast save a few. Most people are generaly stupid about things of the military nature, however I lived with a military nut, and he taught me many thing's and created my obssesive behavior of learning everything of the military nature. Or maybe it's just because I'm american. literally ive been obssessed, but atleast I admit it.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Ok well im not going to argue with you because your at a higher level education than me. But you cannot
disprove ancient astronaughts anymore than anyone can prove them.

If you're right and I'm wrong, why should that matter?

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Science is absolutely true in some area's. Can you not boil water to make it safe to drink? Is that not absolutely true? Do we breath a chemical mixture of gases? Are we multicellular organism? This is absolutely and true stuff. Does the Earth rotate around the sun? Well I would hope we absolutely know this as true.

If there's arsenic in that water, boiling probably won't help .
But I take your point that there are some scientific ideas for which the evidence is so compelling that they are extremely unlikely to ever be shown to be false, and for that reason may be treated as though they were facts. But this still does not make them so. No scientific idea is beyond question, just because a theory accounts for all the current data, does not mean that it will account for all future data.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Let me get into college first then I will give you such a lashing...

What are you hoping to study?
Make sure to let us know when you convince your professors that aliens have visited Earth.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: When the fuck did you people ever get the idea that I ever "EVER" said that ancient astronaughts are fucking true. I only ever said it was possible so fuck off.

Do you guy's have some issues where you cannot except the fact somebody says something is possible, and pretend they said it actually happend? Again when the fuck did I ever say it was true. Never.

Stop being so disingenuous! You put forward an idea, defend that idea fervently (whether to play devil's advocate or through belief remains to be seen); we express criticism of the idea, and you think you can just say "I never claimed this was true", and that somehow magically invalidates all our objections.
Start showing some intellectual honesty.

(April 20, 2011 at 5:57 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Ok well im not going to argue with you because your at a higher level education than me. But you cannot
disprove ancient astronaughts anymore than anyone can prove them.

If you're right and I'm wrong, why should that matter?

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Science is absolutely true in some area's. Can you not boil water to make it safe to drink? Is that not absolutely true? Do we breath a chemical mixture of gases? Are we multicellular organism? This is absolutely and true stuff. Does the Earth rotate around the sun? Well I would hope we absolutely know this as true.

If there's arsenic in that water, boiling probably won't help .
But I take your point that there are some scientific ideas for which the evidence is so compelling that they are extremely unlikely to ever be shown to be false, and for that reason may be treated as though they were facts. But this still does not make them so. No scientific idea is beyond question, just because a theory accounts for all the current data, does not mean that it will account for all future data.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Let me get into college first then I will give you such a lashing...

What are you hoping to study?
Make sure to let us know when you convince your professors that aliens have visited Earth.

(April 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: When the fuck did you people ever get the idea that I ever "EVER" said that ancient astronaughts are fucking true. I only ever said it was possible so fuck off.

Do you guy's have some issues where you cannot except the fact somebody says something is possible, and pretend they said it actually happend? Again when the fuck did I ever say it was true. Never.

Stop being so disingenuous! You put forward an idea, defend that idea fervently (whether to play devil's advocate or through belief remains to be seen); we express criticism of the idea, and you think you can just say "I never claimed this was true", and that somehow magically invalidates all our objections.
Start showing some intellectual honesty.

Im not trying to invalidate anything anyone said, I just one one specific person to stop talking as If everything I said actually happend, I want to emphasize it's possible not real. I don't mind you Lil phil infact I rather enjoy going back and forth with you and other's simply because it make's me more knowledgable. But there's just a person, thats really irratating.

(April 20, 2011 at 6:33 am)JohnDG Wrote: Im not trying to invalidate anything anyone said, I just one one specific person to stop talking as If everything I said actually happend, I want to emphasize it's possible not real.

It's been said several times by several people in this thread that just because something is possible, it is not necessarily plausible, but you just seem to ignore it every time.

(April 20, 2011 at 6:33 am)JohnDG Wrote: I don't mind you Lil phil infact I rather enjoy going back and forth with you and other's simply because it make's me more knowledgable.

Good, me too

(April 20, 2011 at 6:33 am)JohnDG Wrote: But there's just a person, thats really irratating.

In my experience, if someone is offending or aggravating you, it's better to be upfront about it, than taking that kind of passive-aggressive approach.

(April 20, 2011 at 6:44 am)lilphil1989 Wrote: [quote='JohnDG' pid='129391' dateline='1303295631']
Im not trying to invalidate anything anyone said, I just one one specific person to stop talking as If everything I said actually happend, I want to emphasize it's possible not real.

Quote:It's been said several times by several people in this thread that just because something is possible, it is not necessarily plausible, but you just seem to ignore it every time.

Yes it's fairly reasonable to some that the ancient astronaught's theory is complete jibberish. Me being in Arizona at the time of multiple incident's plus given what, and how little we know about our history lead's me to believe it is plausable. Therefore I will never acknowledge it isn't plausable to some degree.

It's plausable the dinosaur's were wiped out by a comet or astroid. Doe's that mean it really happend? No it's just the most reasonable fair explanation.