(June 9, 2016 at 4:45 pm)Mechaghostman2 Wrote: Gay people pretty much have just about all the rights, aside from the right to make bakeries bake a cake for them. Still need a few more trans rights, but that's about it.

So, it's not worth discussing, then?  It's not worth highlighting religious-driven government overreach regarding trans people?

Quote:I've met plenty of atheists that were against abortion too. It's easy to let emotions sweep you away in that argument, if you've had a kid and you legit think that an early term fetus is a person. Personally I couldn't give a shit what happens to an early term fetus, prior to about 24 weeks.

The issue is broader than just abortion.  It's about how the religious perceives a woman and their worth, and what they're allowed to do with their own bodies.  The Hobby Lobby case, for example, should infuriate any atheist that is actually paying attention.

Quote:I've met many atheists that also think climate change isn't happening, that it's just a conspiracy to get more control over industry and more tax money, as well as for those with stock in green energy to make more money as well. I don't believe that garbage, but many atheists do.

There are conspiracy nutters in every group.  Why should they dictate what's talked about?  How do they fit into people in our legislature not believing it's happening due to their religious convictions?

Quote:Child abuse is really just a meme. They do it because their parents did it. It's learned behavior. Sometimes religion plays a role, sometimes it doesn't.

And yet, I would submit that religion exacerbates the problem.  Seriously, have you talked to some of the members here?  They have harrowing stories of the insidious kind of mental abuse only a cult can provide.  There's also the matter of the government doing jack shit to truly investigate the child molestation problem.

Quote:Yeah, there's a few cases where people rape their wives, and idiots like Rush Limbaugh says you can't rape your wife. You see a lot more of this in the Middle East than you do in America, though. A hell of a lot more.

And?  This shouldn't be talked about because it's not as bad here as in some shit hole?  

Quote:Umm... there are way more leftists that are anti-vaccine and anti-GMO than there are religious right twits. I know I have him in the meme I created, but Bill Maher is one of those douches.

Right now, nearly every state allows for vaccine exceptions for religious purposes: http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/scho...-laws.aspx  While you're likely right that it's the big pharma conspiracy nutters that tend to not vaccinate, as the non-religious personal belief/philosophy exceptions are removed, those people will undoubtedly begin claiming religious exception instead.  That, to me, deserves to be talked about.  Getting preemptive momentum against that trend is strategically sound.

Quote:It's not low hanging fruit when it's being taught to children. Doing so will cause them to grow up never wanting to learn about science, and that's a recipe for disaster in a modern society that depends on science.

You're not listening to me.  I'm not saying that fighting creationism isn't important.  Of course it is.  But there's not much to say that hasn't already been said - ID isn't science, it's religion.  Religion cannot be taught in schools.  Etc.  It's low hanging fruit because it's familiar, uncontroversial (unlike, say, feminism), and it's not a challenging concept (science good/religion bad).

We should be able to allow others to speak without shouting them down or simply dismissing them out of hand.  We're not theists.  And given how Christianity permeates both our general culture and politics, it seems to me there should be more than one topic to address.

(June 9, 2016 at 5:58 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 5:16 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: I know right? Where does this guy get off calling people needle-dick if they're atheists who criticize modern feminism.

Fucking right, we need to destroy those fucking feminists before they completely take away our masculinity.

If action is not taken, we'll all be wearing mini-skirts, shaving our legs and finding kittens irresistibly cute.

For.  Fuck.  Sake.

Are you claiming 3rd wave feminists are not against masculinity? You checked places like tumblr lately? lol

That's not the main reason why 3rd wave (yes the wave matters) feminism needs to die and places like the middle east and Africa need 1st wave feminism, but nice caricature. I'm sure you were really proud of that when you wrote it.

(June 9, 2016 at 5:44 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 5:29 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: There's no light way to put this then. If you don't care about a person getting fired for no reason, you're an asshole,

1. I am an a**hole - what's your point?
2. I've seen no evidence that Thunderf00t was at any point in danger of losing his job - anybody can write a slandering letter to anyone's employer. People don't get fired because of some random hate-mail. Unless the hate-mail had some good points to make, of course.
3. Also - no evidence, that whatever feminist-bogey-monster was behind it. Again - anyone can write a letter. Where's the court case?

(June 9, 2016 at 5:29 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: if you don't care about one genders rights in general.. you're also an asshole.

Yeah, well - go cry me a river... I'll worry about my rights, when they're actually encroached upon. Hasn't been happening so far, thank you very much.

(June 9, 2016 at 5:29 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: Reverse the genders in your thinking and you'll see what a hypocrite you're being.

I don't know - seems like reversing gender is a lot of hassle, what with all the hormonal treatments and surgery. If you don't mind - I'll just stay with my current one and I'll disregard your erroneous use of the word "hypocrite". How can I be a hypocrite, if I'm already a self-confessed a**hole?

And why do you care? Are you some sort of a... uhm... social... justice... warrior? How very hypocritical of you...

1. Thanks for your concession speech that you're an asshole, that was easy.
2. Here's your evidence you incredulous little cretin. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TMmxlsLN8
3. The woman who sent the letter was a feminist, are you that fucking stupid or are you just going to make excuses for atrocious behavior like that? Fuck off with that garbage.

It's not about crying, it's about facts. Just because your measly rights haven't been infringed upon doesn't mean men are not or can not be marginalized. How about the fact that women get less prison time for the exact same crimes on average? That's not a marginalized area to you I guess. Again, you are an incredulous turd that only feels empathy when something happens to you. You're like a bigoted republican who only cares about gay rights when they have a gay son, fuck you. You completely missed my point that if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have to admit what a hypocrite you are.

And see, with your last sentence, you don't want to have any perspective or open dialogue, you're just a dogmatic feminist cunt-bag stuck in your own dogmatic thinking to do a simple thought experiment of reversing the situation to better see the bigger picture. You go ahead and be a dumb-shit though. Also, you admitting to being an asshole wouldn't negate any hypocritical statements you've made when talking about something completely different, idiot.

(June 9, 2016 at 6:07 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 6:06 am)robvalue Wrote: What the hell is going on?

There are many important issues in the world. They just don't have anything to do with atheism.

You, Rob, are clearly a 5th wave masculinity erosion denier of the worst kind.

Clearly.

Oh boy, we got another incredulous moron claiming men are just on top of the world, nothing to worry about we just run it all and women are the cattle lol. Go ahead and side-skirt the issue, that's fine. You've got nothing of substance to say on the matter from what I've read in this thread. What rights does a woman have over a man here in the west? And where are women oppressed in the west? Take your time, I'll await your already refuted feminist talking points.

(June 9, 2016 at 6:40 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 6:36 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Oh Homeless, MJ's going to go fucking nuts......this is all the proof he needs!! 

Right... Like Thunderf00t's fan-boys ever needed "proof".

What the fuck are you on? He's one of the more scrupulous and meticulous YouTubers when it comes to evidence, even if you don't agree with his anti-feminist/sjw videos you can't say that for his Atheist and Religion videos. You're just butthurt he's not a SJW twat like you. Same thing happend to TJ the AmazingAtheist, people in the Atheist community didn't have too much disagreement with his atheist arguments but once he started taking down SJW's and feminist retards, then the Atheist community split all the sudden, funny huh?

(June 10, 2016 at 6:02 pm)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: Are you claiming 3rd wave feminists are not against masculinity? You checked places like tumblr lately? lol

Some of you guys always take extremists of any given group to be the rule. Maybe that's the reason why you strive for organised atheism. Extremism against extremism. A ludicrous approach in my book.

And always keep the eyes shut when it comes to the real íssues, such as there is still discriminiation against people of color or women for that matter.

Well ok, let's look at some more real world examples and ignore Tumblr and Twitter. Men commit suicide 3-4 times more than women, yet women get more help to prevent suicide. 90% of people in prison are men. Now that's due to sexual dimorphism and the effect it has on behavior, but feminazis deny that sexual dimorphism has any said effect. As was mentioned earlier, women get less prison time than men for the same crimes. Men also get abused in relationships, but where are the man-only safe spaces, oh sorry, shelters for people going through that? Men get raped more than women when you take into account prison rape, at least in America. Do feminists care about that? No, no they do not. Don't even get me started on how women get to keep almost everything in a divorce, including the children. You can cry that these things are all the fault of the patriarchy all you want, but I don't see feminists doing shit to try and fix these problems. All they seem to be worried about is women being used to sell products. All the other shit that they throw around has been debunked by one of the few feminists that I have respect for, Christina Hoff Sommers.

Sigh.

(June 10, 2016 at 7:15 pm)Mechaghostman2 Wrote: Well ok, let's look at some more real world examples and ignore Tumblr and Twitter. Men commit suicide 3-4 times more than women, yet women get more help to prevent suicide. 90% of people in prison are men. Now that's due to sexual dimorphism and the effect it has on behavior, but feminazis deny that sexual dimorphism has any said effect. As was mentioned earlier, women get less prison time than men for the same crimes. Men also get abused in relationships, but where are the man-only safe spaces, oh sorry, shelters for people going through that? Men get raped more than women when you take into account prison rape, at least in America. Do feminists care about that? No, no they do not. Don't even get me started on how women get to keep almost everything in a divorce, including the children. You can cry that these things are all the fault of the patriarchy all you want, but I don't see feminists doing shit to try and fix these problems. All they seem to be worried about is women being used to sell products. All the other shit that they throw around has been debunked by one of the few feminists that I have respect for, Christina Hoff Sommers.

Which leads us to conclude...what exactly?  That there are inequalities on both sides of the aisle?  I don't think most people will dispute that.  The problem comes when you try claim that the level of inequality men have to deal with is equal to that of what women have to deal with.

And does this mean that we're walking back the claim that white people are demonized and the left supports that?