I know that, in America, it is legally the parents' decision. My argument is not that it's not legally their choice, but that it should not be.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:15 am)Losty Wrote: I know that, in America, it is legally the parents' decision. it should not be.

That's a battle I cannot join.

There is no compelling evidence for me to change my mind.

Perhaps I would think differently if I was uncut, maybe.

I can only provide my own experience as a man whose parents made the decision for me, and I have no regrets.

This kind of makes me want to write a scene in a novel whereby a son must become circumcised as an adult and blames his mother for not doing it when he was an infant, thus causing a rift in their relationship whereby she must rethink whether she had made the correct decision.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:18 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Perhaps I would think differently if I was uncut, maybe.

I can almost guarantee you would. As I've said before, I can basically pull back my foreskin and make my penis look / feel like a circumcised one. I've tried masturbating both by using the foreskin, and with the foreskin held back, and the former feels *so* much better.

I can't think of a single reason, other than a legitimate medical issue, where a man would willingly have his foreskin cut off.

I think the analogy I used earlier about blind people saying they aren't missing out on anything is accurate.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:26 am)Tiberius Wrote: I can almost guarantee you would. As I've said before, I can basically pull back my foreskin and make my penis look / feel like a circumcised one. I've tried masturbating both by using the foreskin, and with the foreskin held back, and the former feels *so* much better.

I can't think of a single reason, other than a legitimate medical issue, where a man would willingly have his foreskin cut off.

I think the analogy I used earlier about blind people saying they aren't missing out on anything is accurate.

You are correct that I only have my circumcised experience to provide in this discussion.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:18 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 1:15 am)Losty Wrote: I know that, in America, it is legally the parents' decision. it should not be.

That's a battle I cannot join.

There is no compelling evidence for me to change my mind.

Perhaps I would think differently if I was uncut, maybe.

I can only provide my own experience as a man whose parents made the decision for me, and I have no regrets.

Here's some information in case you're interested. As far as I can find, there are no medical groups that recommend infant circumcision. There are many groups that highly discourage it, and in many countries it is illegal.

The last quote here is from a link within the link provided and is a set of UK guidelines on what is an acceptable reason to circumcise. Notice prettiness of penis and hygiene are both not listed.

http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/

"After reviewing the currently available evidence, the RACP believes that the frequency of diseases modifiable by circumcision, the level of protection offered by circumcision and the complication rates of circumcision do not warrant routine infant circumcision in Australia and New Zealand"

"The CPS recommends that "Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely (i.e.,in the absence of medical indication) performed." Since there are no medical indications for circumcision in the newborn period, in effect, the CPS is saying that newborn circumcisions should not be performed."

"The CPSBC's previous official circumcision policy statement was issued in June 2004. This position strongly cautioned physicians against the performance of unnecessary elective non-therapeutic circumcision of a child."

"the degree of benefit is small and does not support a decision to circumcise neonates."

"The Royal Dutch Medical Society (In Dutch Koninklijke Nederlandsche Maatschappij tot bevordering der Geneeskunst or KNMG) published a seventeen-page position statement in English regarding the circumcision of male children on May 27, 2010. That statement cites many problems of male circumcision and says that the operation violates the human rights of the child. It goes on to say that the KNMG would not oppose making the circumcision of male children unlawful"

"Indications for circumcision


* The one absolute indication for circumcision is scarring of the opening of the foreskin making it non-retractable (pathological phimosis). This is unusual before 5 years of age.
* Recurrent, troublesome episodes of infection beneath the foreskin (balanoposthitis) are an occasional indication for circumcision.
* Occasionally specialist paediatric surgeons or urologists may need to perform a circumcision for some rare conditions.


Criteria to be fulfilled in performing circumcision


* The operation should be performed by or under the supervision of doctors trained in children's surgery.
* The child must receive adequate pain control during and after the operation.
* The parents and, when competent, the child, must be made fully aware of the implications of this operation as it is a non-reversible procedure.
* This operation must be undertaken in an operating theatre or an environment capable of fulfilling guidelines1 for any other surgical operation.
* The person responsible for the operation must be available and capable of dealing with any complications which may arise.
* There should be close links with the patient's GP and community services for continuing care after the operation.
* Accurate records of all procedures and audit of results are essential."

When I try that, masturbating without using my foreskin, I can't feel a fucking thing. With my foreskin it's like sensation to the power of 1000.

Still in favor of infant circumcision. <3

Yeah, I'm fucking stubborn.

Less cognitive dissonance that way right? I would be less cynical about your reason to remain unconvinced if you could actually provide counter evidence, Kit.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:21 am)Maelstrom Wrote: This kind of makes me want to write a scene in a novel whereby a son must become circumcised as an adult and blames his mother for not doing it when he was an infant, thus causing a rift in their relationship whereby she must rethink whether she had made the correct decision.

Novel-as-polemic makes for dreary reading. Aim higher.