(April 22, 2011 at 1:17 am)Zen Badger Wrote: You appear to be under the common assumption that humanity is the logical product of Evolution.

This is a misapprehension, Evolutions only requirement is to produce lifeforms that can survive and reproduce in their environment.

Nothing more.

So whilst the chances of humanity appearing are indeed vanishingly low, so what?

You can make the same statement about any species, indeed even the ones that had the potential to appear but didn't.

So the actual statistical likelihood of Homo Sapiens arising is 1.

Exactly. If we could somehow rewind time a few hundred million years, and run evolution forward again, wuold humanity develop again? No, probably not, and it definitely wouldn't be exactly the same as it is now.
Mutations are random, so evolution is a stochastic process.

I do find it very difficult to impose 'human' ideologies onto planets, ecotomes, galaxies and such...seems rather infantile to me

(April 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Holubice Wrote: If you have read the content of near death experience in the first link in my first post now you know that 1 person on 5 that wake up form road accident or heart attack they report the same identical story but almost nobody believe them.

Care to provide some evidence for that claim?

(April 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Holubice Wrote: Now I know why the evolution theory which, as any theory could be proven wrong, is so widely accepted: men wish to delete God completely from their lives as they dislike to be respectful to all the commandments He has given to us. The hypothesis all the incredible prefect mechanisms in life has come true from nothing is the song our ears wants to listen to. just now I have realised it.

No. There are many christians, jews and muslims who accept that the evidence in favour of the theory of evolution is overwhelming. It's nothing whatsoever to do with god.

(April 22, 2011 at 6:44 am)lilphil1989 Wrote: Exactly. If we could somehow rewind time a few hundred million years, and run evolution forward again, would humanity develop again? No, probably not, and it definitely wouldn't be exactly the same as it is now. Mutations are random, so evolution is a stochastic process.

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There is a singular oddity: there are millions of species on this Earth, but just one species, ours, has an incommensurable intelligence. Have you never noted? Why we couldn't have a chat with hippopotamus or bats? Before my N.D.E I accepted life could arise form chaos, now no. For me now to say some atoms colliding together...



... can lead somehow, somewhere to a process as brain capability...



... a process so complicated we aren't still able to realise how it works, for instance to understand how we have ideas, felling from electrical discharges, well just now I understand it's absurd. You can have a never ending time, 100.000 galaxies but it will never come true by them self. You may say this is an "argomentum ad verecundiam", but please note the deductions of Albert Einstain about Nature:

"I'm not atheist, and you can't say I'm pantheist. We are now like a child in a huge library full of books written in several languages. The baby knows somebody must have written all those books but he doesn't know how and he doesn't know the languages. But he guess there is a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books, but he doesn't know how. I think this is the situation of a human being toward God. The deep belief a superior rational power is present and that is manifest in the incomprehensible universe, this is the basis of my ideas about God" (A. Einstain)

Einstein didn't believe in a personal God, but he couldn't admit such a great order could come from disorder.
"In this World there is order. There is a organiser for sure" (Socrates)

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(April 22, 2011 at 8:40 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:

(April 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Holubice Wrote: If you have read the content of near death experience in the first link in my first post now you know that 1 person on 5 that wake up form road accident or heart attack they report the same identical story but almost nobody believe them.

Care to provide some evidence for that claim?

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I just can confide you the feelings I had and describe what could happen. You haven't to believe in God and to act accordingly to His will as you are afraid of hell. You have to do that as you can not lose His extraordinary presence.

(April 22, 2011 at 9:18 am)Holubice Wrote: There is a singular oddity: there are millions of species on this Earth, but just one species, ours, has an incommensurable intelligence.

So what?

(April 22, 2011 at 9:18 am)Holubice Wrote: For me now to say some atoms colliding together can lead somehow, somewhere to a process as brain capability a process so complicated we aren't still able to realise how it works, for instance to understand how we have ideas, felling from electrical discharges, well just now I understand it's absurd.

So because it's difficult to understand, god must have done it?

(April 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Holubice Wrote:

(April 22, 2011 at 8:40 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:

(April 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Holubice Wrote: If you have read the content of near death experience in the first link in my first post now you know that 1 person on 5 that wake up form road accident or heart attack they report the same identical story but almost nobody believe them.

Care to provide some evidence for that claim?

I just can confide you the feelings I had and describe what could happen. You haven't to believe in God and to act accordingly to His will as you are afraid of hell. You have to do that as you can not lose His extraordinary presence.

No, no, no. Don't be so dishonest. You claimed that 1 in 5 people report identical experiences upon coming close to death. Please provide evidence for the claim.

(April 22, 2011 at 10:19 am)lilphil1989 Wrote: No, no, no. Don't be so dishonest. You claimed that 1 in 5 people report identical experiences upon coming close to death. Please provide evidence for the claim.

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I just can tell you my experience and the studies made by doctors on this issue. There is also a International Association for Near Death Studies which reports all the memories of patients and all the deductions of doctors all around the world. Since my event I've found out also a good friend of mine had such experience when he had a road accident some years ago. And also a relative of one of my colleague had the same. But, as wikipedia notes, usually people are afraid to talk about these experiences as they usually had bad reactions. Are you interested in my story? Do you want I tell you my experience?

Why Holubice?? 16 pages and you are YET to type anything regarding your 'experience'....please get on with it.

(April 22, 2011 at 10:45 am)Holubice Wrote:

(April 22, 2011 at 10:19 am)lilphil1989 Wrote: No, no, no. Don't be so dishonest. You claimed that 1 in 5 people report identical experiences upon coming close to death. Please provide evidence for the claim.

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I just can tell you my experience and the studies made by doctors on this issue. There is also a International Association for Near Death Studies which reports all the memories of patients and all the deductions of doctors all around the world. Since my event I've found out also a good friend of mine had such experience when he had a road accident some years ago. And also a relative of one of my colleague had the same. But, as wikipedia notes, usually people are afraid to talk about these experiences as they usually had bad reactions.

Stop being evasive. Either provide evidence for your claim, otherwise we'll work on the assumption that you simply made it up.

Quote: Are you interested in my story? Do you want I tell you my experience?

Sure, go ahead.

Bill Wiese anyone?