(April 24, 2011 at 10:01 pm)padraic Wrote:

(April 23, 2011 at 6:38 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Yes ...
It is very primitive and a disgrace on the countries who support it. It is also a very telling indictment on those individuals who support it, is my opinion, as such it has no place in a modern society.

I agree.That is MY moral view.I make no claims to having a value system of absolute moral imperatives..

The most extreme of societies have only a thin veneer of modernity.They remain insular tribal cultures at their core. The emphasis they give their religion and daily life (such as a medieval pre occupation with notions of tribe, honour and treating women as chattel) is a reflection of their society. Their religion did not create their society, but was tailored to fit. Their values and laws are merely at about a 150-200 year remove from ours. They will change eventually.

I would resist anyone trying to impose such a system in my country. However, I would not go to another country and presume to tell them how to live, or what laws they should have. It is up to the people of a country to determine what form of government and what legal system they want.

True, I think it's completely wrong for one country to tell another country how to practice the making and enforcement of their laws, but taking the position of an ambiguous politician seems even more offensive to me when it comes to the maiming and killing of people who would normally be considered completely innocent of wrong-doing. I'm a human being in support of the rights of other human beings. I disagree with A LOT of things that other countries do but I never say word one about it because it's clearly not a human rights issue. However, you want to stone women in the streets, protect government sanctioned rape, and murder the innoncent under the guise of protecting your religion ... than I'm going to stand up and say, "You're Wrong!" Moral high ground or not ... your laws and/or punishments are barbaric and inhumane ... and I cannot stand by and say nothing just because I want to look politically correct. Respect is earned, not given. Should you start respecting the rights of your own countrymen (women), than, and only than, will I keep quiet about your way of life.

Quote:Looking around the world at the horrors human beings inflict on one another,it's clear to me countries only interfere with others when it is in their perceived best interest to do so. Claims to a non existent moral high ground make me want to vomit.

They make me vomit as well ... no one more so than the muslims ... and the christians are a close runner-up.



These peaceful and tolerant muslims (not extremists mind you, just regular muslims) wanted the cartoonist put to death for drawing a FUCKING CAT!

Bangla desh is a country where every time it rains they are standing ankle deep in sewage and THAT is the kind of thing the motherfuckers worry about.

Fuck 'em. Next time there is a cyclone I'm rooting for the cyclone!

Anything that argues for literal enforcement of a moral and ethical code from a couple of century ago is barbaric. Anything that argues for literal enforcement of moral and ethnic code rooted in the eighth century is profoundly barbaric. Anything that argues for literal enforcement of moral and ethical code in deference to a twice mutated version of bronze age goat fucker's sky tyrant is supremely barbaric.

Is Sharia Law barbaric?

Do Muslims perform "Honor Killings"?

And, of course, the "honor killings" are only performed on DAUGHTERS! Why is it you never see them kill one of their sons? In fact, if a son rapes someone's daughter, it is the DAUGHTER who is punished! These dingbats need to be put in a time machine and sent back to the 10th century where they'd be more at home!

Are secular laws barbaric?

- Machiavellian-like laws that allowed approximately 80 man, women, children to be imprisoned and then burned alive. Little babies coughing blood and their mothers couldn't do anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdPtDJ02J...re=related


- Machiavellian-like laws that allowed a million innocent Iraqi civilians killed thanks to a little "white" lie from bad intel sources.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEj2VC07Mbo


- Pedophiles-like laws that allows authorities to grope children under the age 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGGfRBcfr1g



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examples like these, it sure looks like that's the case.


case in point, I can take the most negative stereotypes to make a judgment on the secular world.

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Yup I'm sure you can Ru

I do not know about the Case of Wanko texas...

But if you have read anytthing on this forum you would see that the "groping" as you call it of young children is not approved of in any way shape or form.
BUT...
Since when is an African-American female Customs officer a 'groping-goon' who is checking a child for drugs and or explosives ? Especially after the whole 911 incident??

(April 26, 2011 at 3:12 am)ruhollah Wrote: Are secular laws barbaric?

- Machiavellian-like laws that allowed approximately 80 man, women, children to be imprisoned and then burned alive. Little babies coughing blood and their mothers couldn't do anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

This was an instance where a cult had illegally obtained weapons and then fiercely resisted when authorities attempted to enforce the law. If they were "imprisoned" (which is a bullshit claim) they were imprisoned by their own doing. And what does "babies coughing up blood" have to do with anything? The mothers could have easily walked out of the compound with their sick babies and received medical attention. The fact that they didn't is because they either chose to remain in the compound or they were forced by their wacko cult leader to stay. Either way, it is their own fault. Could the government have handled this situation better? Maybe so. But you can't compare Waco (a one-time circumstance which was heavily investigated afterwards) with atrocities like "Honor Killings".

Quote:- Machiavellian-like laws that allowed a million innocent Iraqi civilians killed thanks to a little "white" lie from bad intel sources.

And here we go with blaming the US for every Iraqi death. Never mind that the VAST majority of Iraqi deaths resulted from OTHER IRAQIS killing each other! Also, you are talking about what happens in a war and comparing it to laws that govern a populace ALL THE TIME. FAIL!

Quote:- Pedophiles-like laws that allows authorities to grope children under the age 10

Okay, here we have a child being searched at an airport. This hardly qualifies as a "pedophile groping". And I must say that I find these types of things to be idiotic. This kid should have been waved through security, but in our PC world we can't "profile", so EVERYONE gets the same treatment. This means your 80 year old grandmother has her knitting needles confiscated. But let's not forget why these searches are necessary in the first place.... because MUSLIM TERRORISTS make it so!

Quote:examples like these, it sure looks like that's the case.

Your examples are poorly constructed straw men. Come back when you have something better.

Quote:case in point, I can take the most negative stereotypes to make a judgment on the secular world.

Okay, what examples do you have that are as awful as stoning women for being raped and people killing their daughters because they succumbed to their hormones?

(April 26, 2011 at 10:19 am)Thor Wrote: But let's not forget why these searches are necessary in the first place.... because MUSLIM TERRORISTS make it so!

Quote of the fucking week good sir!

Oh PLEASE don't leave OUT their fucking stoopid devil book of 'Peace guys!!

Yes it is, and if anyone tries to enforce it on me at any point while I'm alive, I'll either kill them or die in a pile of spent brass and empty magazines.