In some ways. I don't think we've explored all the ways it can be done yet - not as efficiently as they claim it to be. For one, a lot of them espouse organic ideas that AREN'T efficient for both producing enough food AND protecting the environment. That's my point - if you take people off meat, you have to produce SO much more plant material, and to do it quickly and store it and distribute it (because some things can only be grown in some areas, unless you're working in hydroponics or greenhouses, which use their own energy) you have to use...more energy.

For another, a lot of vegetarianism IS based on the love for animals more than humans. I find the "serious" people in PETA to be laughable, and for vegans who do it to "save" the animals to be ludicrous.

I know one vegan who doesn't spout bullshit. She turned vegan because of her diabetes and it completely changed her life around. She supports it whole-heartedly for what it can do in various health cases. I don't mind that, but she also doesn't try to "convert" people.

The fact is, we have evolved as omnivores and we require meat as well as vegetables.

They seem to have this idea that in nature animals live in some sort of happy co-existance where no really gets hurt.

One suspects they've watched "Bambi" one too many times.

(April 28, 2011 at 10:54 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: That video was fucking disgusting.

Of course some of this is legitimate complaints, but let us also remember that it is PETA who is doing the editing of this video. What context existed would be lost for violent imagery. Not to mention at the end of the emotional tugging vid they ask if you want to stop this, then contact PETA...and we all know how they want humans to be, regardless of their will or not.

This would be the same as me going to Rwanda, taping the genocides, and then using them as a heart tugger for people to join my personal cult in the name of trying to stop the genocides.

Quote:eating is a “private matter”

No...shitting is a private matter. Eating I do with friends. Pass the veal!!!

To be fair the argument that "Eating all out air scrubbing plants is worse" is complete crap, if we turned our dairy and meat farms into forestry and grain we'd pretty much be sorted.

(April 28, 2011 at 10:40 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I am talking about the extremists. The PETA Vegan's who want to legislate their views on everyone.

The people at PETA are a bunch of assholes. I lost all respect for Bob Barker when I read about him giving $2 million to this organization of douchebags.

(April 28, 2011 at 11:25 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote:

(April 28, 2011 at 10:54 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: That video was fucking disgusting.

Of course some of this is legitimate complaints, but let us also remember that it is PETA who is doing the editing of this video. What context existed would be lost for violent imagery. Not to mention at the end of the emotional tugging vid they ask if you want to stop this, then contact PETA...and we all know how they want humans to be, regardless of their will or not.

This would be the same as me going to Rwanda, taping the genocides, and then using them as a heart tugger for people to join my personal cult in the name of trying to stop the genocides.

OMFG. And how else are they supposed to get the message out. Put a note in a bottle and hope someone reads it.

It's propaganda, it's like showing a "guns are evil" ad where the footage is all trench warfare from the early 1900s and then saying we should ban all gun.

So whats the alternative then void? Jusy like what everybody else uses to get their point across. Make an ad, write a book. Good on them I say.

(April 28, 2011 at 12:06 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: OMFG. And how else are they supposed to get the message out. Put a note in a bottle and hope someone reads it.

LMFAO, no silly. If they want to do it this way, then more power to them. I think they are a bunch of douche bags personally. I dont like their legislating of their extremism upon the rest of the world.

(April 28, 2011 at 12:18 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: So whats the alternative then void? Jusy like what everybody else uses to get their point across. Make an ad, write a book. Good on them I say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAtGmQ6i3o