(August 20, 2016 at 9:47 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 9:42 pm)Lek Wrote: What makes Lucifer different in terms of worshiping God than any other non-believer?

How is this question related to the post of mine that you quoted? It seems more related to my previous post.

If I believed that Lucifer existed, I would have to agree with him about not worshiping your tyrant god.

I told about my belief that eventually everyone would worship God. Then you said that Satan doesn't worship God. So my point is that at some point he, along with everyone else, will worship God.

(August 20, 2016 at 9:49 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 9:36 pm)Jesster Wrote: "Everyone will worship in my god at some point."

Heh. Not even everyone in your special book worships your god. I'll bring up Lucifer again.

"Lucifer" is a literary farce perpetrated by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate when he turned a verb into a noun.  It was not a proper name and the only place you find it, in Isaiah, is specifically addressed to a mortal man.

Oh look. A real response. You get some time off my ignore list.

Now for my response. So what? It's not really the point of my post.

(August 20, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 9:47 pm)Jesster Wrote: How is this question related to the post of mine that you quoted? It seems more related to my previous post.

If I believed that Lucifer existed, I would have to agree with him about not worshiping your tyrant god.

I told about my belief that eventually everyone would worship God.  Then you said that Satan doesn't worship God.  So my point is that at some point he, along with everyone else, will worship God.

Fortune telling. Yay!



My posts stands. I don't follow tyrannical dictators.

(August 20, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 9:47 pm)Jesster Wrote: How is this question related to the post of mine that you quoted? It seems more related to my previous post.

If I believed that Lucifer existed, I would have to agree with him about not worshiping your tyrant god.

I told about my belief that eventually everyone would worship God.  Then you said that Satan doesn't worship God.  So my point is that at some point he, along with everyone else, will worship God.

(August 20, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 7:28 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I prefer to go by the meanings of the original Greek words: "aionios kolasin"

"These shall go away into age-long pruning" or "These shall go away into age-lasting chastisement"

I agree with you.  I believe we'll all be worshiping him together at some point.  It will just take some longer than others to get there; and the process will not be enjoyable for them until the end of it.

I'm grateful for The Lord's Judgment in standards of being and the removal of error, whether through repentance and baptism or the direct burning off of sin. If there was none, then one's errors could continue to compile forever, lifetime after lifetime with zero chance of self extrication. Nothing to "virus check" the soul.

Some seeds respond when watered, others require a touch of fire to sprout. I have felt both.

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(August 20, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 9:49 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: "Lucifer" is a literary farce perpetrated by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate when he turned a verb into a noun.  It was not a proper name and the only place you find it, in Isaiah, is specifically addressed to a mortal man.

Oh look. A real response. You get some time off my ignore list.

Now for my response. So what? It's not really the point of my post.

Are you talking about Satan's "rebellion?"

(August 20, 2016 at 10:02 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

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(August 20, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Lek Wrote: I agree with you.  I believe we'll all be worshiping him together at some point.  It will just take some longer than others to get there; and the process will not be enjoyable for them until the end of it.

I'm grateful for The Lord's Judgment in standards of being and the removal of error, whether through repentance and baptism or the direct burning off of sin.  If there was none, then one's errors could continue to compile forever, lifetime after lifetime with zero chance of self extrication. Nothing to "virus check" the soul.

Some seeds respond when watered, others require a touch of fire to sprout.  I have felt both.

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(August 20, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Jesster Wrote: Oh look. A real response. You get some time off my ignore list.

Now for my response. So what? It's not really the point of my post.

Are you talking about Satan's "rebellion?"

A story exists about Satan/Lucifer and a rebellion. I don't care what you think of the story and where it came from. It's all a fantasy to me.

My point is that I agree with the fictional character that others have talked about and I don't care whose ass it was pulled from. No need to get into deep discussion about it. I've made my point.

I was christian before I converted to atheism, and I never worshiped. My grandparents both worship and pray. I personally never really saw a point. If there was a God, then just being a good person should be enough for him/her.

(August 20, 2016 at 10:12 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 10:02 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

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I'm grateful for The Lord's Judgment in standards of being and the removal of error, whether through repentance and baptism or the direct burning off of sin.  If there was none, then one's errors could continue to compile forever, lifetime after lifetime with zero chance of self extrication. Nothing to "virus check" the soul.

Some seeds respond when watered, others require a touch of fire to sprout.  I have felt both.

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Are you talking about Satan's "rebellion?"

A story exists about Satan/Lucifer and a rebellion. I don't care what you think of the story and where it came from. It's all a fantasy to me.

My point is that I agree with the fictional character that others have talked about and I don't care whose ass it was pulled from. No need to get into deep discussion about it. I've made my point.

Does it matter that the entire cultural milieu (Judaism) it came from did not consider Satan to have rebelled against God but is working for God? Sure looks that way in Job, considered to be the oldest book of the 66 books in the bible.

I don't take the cultural story at face value, in fact I err on the side it is probably mistranslated in several places (it is) and perhaps even screwed with deliberately. Even just knowing about the telephone game through time should tell you we are not dealing with original information and interpretation based on them will compound error.

You take the story at face value and disbelieve.
I don't take the story at face value and I don't need it to believe nor to have relationship with God. But it does in places add helpful details to a story far older than 2016 years.

(August 20, 2016 at 10:25 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 20, 2016 at 10:12 pm)Jesster Wrote: A story exists about Satan/Lucifer and a rebellion. I don't care what you think of the story and where it came from. It's all a fantasy to me.

My point is that I agree with the fictional character that others have talked about and I don't care whose ass it was pulled from. No need to get into deep discussion about it. I've made my point.

Does it matter that the entire cultural milieu (Judaism) it came from did not consider Satan to have rebelled against God but is working for God? Sure looks that way in Job, considered to be the oldest book of the 66 books in the bible.

I don't take the cultural story at face value, in fact I err on the side it is probably mistranslated in several places (it is) and perhaps even screwed with deliberately.  Even just knowing about the telephone game through time should tell you we are not dealing with original information and interpretation based on them will compound error.

You take the story at face value and disbelieve.
I don't take the story at face value and I don't need it to believe nor to have relationship with God.  But it does in places add helpful details to a story far older than 2016 years.

I said it doesn't matter. The point is that I don't believe in worshiping overbearing tyrants who demand worship and I would favor rebellion. I don't care for your tangents about anything I consider fiction.

(August 20, 2016 at 10:29 pm)Jesster Wrote: I said it doesn't matter. The point is that I don't believe in overbearing tyrants who demand worship and I would favor rebellion. I don't care for your tangents about anything I consider fiction.

It doesn't matter that the story might very well be deliberately wrong in select places and you are getting made at the wrong story?

Have you ever considered you are being false flagged? Is there any advantage to Man making up a story of a tyrant God who needs money on Sundays?