(September 24, 2016 at 11:34 am)ukatheist Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am)Whateverist Wrote: Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

We all know it was you W, don't be acting all innocent now [emoji52]

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What are you talking about?

(September 24, 2016 at 5:30 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Infinite mass must then make room for finite space in some manner...because a spatially infinite mass contains no space anywhere forever.

In order for any of it to move, there must be a counter movement in the opposite direction. The Unmoved Mover stays in place and creates motive force by moving both directions at once.

Both directions? There are two? And the Unmoved Mover I take it is located where? Where does this force "stay in place"? This is gibberish.

Radially, inwards and outwards......in more than one location. We are in a bubble in the midst of the Unmoved Mover. Where this counter balance of movement "stay's in place" is the void space of the universe.

Think of a spinning disk of material that spins up so fast it rips apart in the center and becomes a torus. The new void space in the center is still while the material moves in place around it. if you couldn't see it spinning, you would think the torus is still as well, because it moves in place and doesn't go anywhere.

I remain unmoved.

(September 24, 2016 at 5:52 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 5:30 am)chimp3 Wrote: Both directions? There are two? And the Unmoved Mover I take it is located where? Where does this force "stay in place"? This is gibberish.

And, by the way, who created the "Unmoved Mover"?  But, if "Unmoved Mover" has always existed, why not just say that the Universe has always existed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_re..._cosmology

Occam's Razor says that we should not multiply hypotheses beyond necessity, so why invoke God to explain anything, existence or consciousness?

Because according to modern science, the space of the universe had a beginning. Space was created in the substance of the Unmoved Mover.

(September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Because you are one.

Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

I blame those asshole Sumerian and Babylonian gods.

Not limited to homo sapiens, to self aware souls of any sentient species anywhere in the universe. Gods in embryo and development over many many lifetimes.

(September 24, 2016 at 5:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: Occam's Razor says that we should not multiply hypotheses beyond necessity, so why invoke God to explain anything, existence or consciousness?

Why invoke the singularity of the BBT to explain anything?

I have a very specific definition of God that I've worked on for many years while cleaving through as many ancient and modern perspectives as I can manage.

It's about a far from anthropomorphic as you can possible get, it's very simple and the metaversal model it yields is an Occam's razor that blows both the "Many Worlds" metaverse theory and "Intelligent Design" completely out of the water with more simplicity more elegance, pure determinism and a laundry list of accurate prediction of universal phenomena.

(September 24, 2016 at 2:49 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 5:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: Occam's Razor says that we should not multiply hypotheses beyond necessity, so why invoke God to explain anything, existence or consciousness?

Why invoke the singularity of the BBT to explain anything?  

I have a very specific definition of God that I've worked on for many years while cleaving through as many ancient and modern perspectives as I can manage.

It's about a far from anthropomorphic as you can possible get, it's very simple and the metaversal model it yields is an Occam's razor that blows both the "Many Worlds" metaverse theory and "Intelligent Design" completely out of the water with more simplicity more elegance, pure determinism and a laundry list of accurate prediction of universal phenomena.

Because "god" explains nothing.  It is a completely adhoc conjecture that does not even rise to the level of being a scientific hypothesis as it makes no testable predictions of any kind.

(September 24, 2016 at 1:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I remain unmoved.

Your emotions did not move but you thought, you typed. You moved in place in several ways without going anywhere.

Similar qualities of the Unmoved Mover.

(September 24, 2016 at 2:37 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 5:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: And, by the way, who created the "Unmoved Mover"?  But, if "Unmoved Mover" has always existed, why not just say that the Universe has always existed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_re..._cosmology

Occam's Razor says that we should not multiply hypotheses beyond necessity, so why invoke God to explain anything, existence or consciousness?

Because according to modern science, the space of the universe had a beginning. Space was created in the substance of the Unmoved Mover.

This is bullshit, the type of which drips from William Lane Craig's mouth.  A number of eternal cosmologies, with beginningless and endless Universes, exist in the published literature.  You can find them right here:

https://arxiv.org/

(September 24, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 1:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I remain unmoved.

Your emotions did not move but you thought, you typed. You moved in place in several ways without going anywhere.

Similar qualities of the Unmoved Mover.

At least we have some tangible evidence of his existence, however, unlike the "Unmoved Mover".