(September 23, 2016 at 10:49 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 7:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Fair enough, but I think my point still stands.  We KNOW what the speed of light is, and it is not an infinitesimal.

Boru

It's also not fixed... http://www.sciencealert.com/these-4-cosm...d-of-light



When objects travel faster than the speed of sound, they generate a sonic boom. So, in theory, if something travels faster than the speed of light, it should produce something like a "luminal boom". In fact, this light boom happens on a daily basis in facilities around the world - you can see it with your own eyes. It's called Cherenkov radiation, and it shows up as a blue glow inside of nuclear reactors, like in the image above.

Cherenkov radiation is named for Soviet scientist Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov, who first measured it in 1934 and was awarded the Nobel Physics Prize in 1958 for his discovery.

Cherenkov radiation glows because the core of the Advanced Test Reactor is submerged in water to keep it cool. In water, light travels at 75 percent the speed it would in the vacuum of outer space, but the electrons created by the reaction inside of the core travel through the water faster than the light does.

Particles, like these electrons, that surpass the speed of light in water, or some other medium such as glass, create a shock wave similar to the shock wave from a sonic boom.

This process (light slowing down as it passes through a medium) is completely understood:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hba...invel.html

It's why we have rainbows!

(September 24, 2016 at 4:31 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 10:49 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It's also not fixed... http://www.sciencealert.com/these-4-cosm...d-of-light



When objects travel faster than the speed of sound, they generate a sonic boom. So, in theory, if something travels faster than the speed of light, it should produce something like a "luminal boom". In fact, this light boom happens on a daily basis in facilities around the world - you can see it with your own eyes. It's called Cherenkov radiation, and it shows up as a blue glow inside of nuclear reactors, like in the image above.

Cherenkov radiation is named for Soviet scientist Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov, who first measured it in 1934 and was awarded the Nobel Physics Prize in 1958 for his discovery.

Cherenkov radiation glows because the core of the Advanced Test Reactor is submerged in water to keep it cool. In water, light travels at 75 percent the speed it would in the vacuum of outer space, but the electrons created by the reaction inside of the core travel through the water faster than the light does.

Particles, like these electrons, that surpass the speed of light in water, or some other medium such as glass, create a shock wave similar to the shock wave from a sonic boom.

This process (light slowing down as it passes through a medium) is completely understood:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hba...invel.html

It's why we have rainbows!

Dead wrong. We have rainbows because God promised he would never flood the world again. So there.

Boru

(September 23, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Infinite mass must then make room for finite space in some manner...because a spatially infinite mass contains no space anywhere forever.

In order for any of it to move, there must be a counter movement in the opposite direction. The Unmoved Mover stays in place and creates motive force by moving both directions at once.

Both directions? There are two? And the Unmoved Mover I take it is located where? Where does this force "stay in place"? This is gibberish.

(September 24, 2016 at 5:30 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Infinite mass must then make room for finite space in some manner...because a spatially infinite mass contains no space anywhere forever.

In order for any of it to move, there must be a counter movement in the opposite direction. The Unmoved Mover stays in place and creates motive force by moving both directions at once.

Both directions? There are two? And the Unmoved Mover I take it is located where? Where does this force "stay in place"? This is gibberish.

And, by the way, who created the "Unmoved Mover"?  But, if "Unmoved Mover" has always existed, why not just say that the Universe has always existed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_re..._cosmology

Occam's Razor says that we should not multiply hypotheses beyond necessity, so why invoke God to explain anything, existence or consciousness?

Exactly. If you insist something doesn't have to submit to this "must have a..." rule, then why arbitrarily assume it is one step backwards from our entire reality?

Notice how it's always one step back, too. At least in religious circles. It's our reality, then a "God". It's never our reality, then a crappy computer programmer in another reality, which was in turn created by a "God".

God is a placeholder for "I don't know". Yet it makes the person feel that they have an actual answer so they stop looking; hence the danger.

(September 23, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Is that you in that picture?

In my signature?  No, that's just a whimsical picture which I liked.

I like it too.  My interpretation is this is your reaction to having been told you can never step in the same river twice.

(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't care about gods, even if you could whip one out right now and rub it in my face.

Why should I care?

Because you are one.

Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

(September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Because you are one.

Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

We all know it was you W, don't be acting all innocent now [emoji52]

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(September 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm)fdesilva Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Therefore god?

Not yet, just getting you guys prepared.

You'll have to do much better.

(September 24, 2016 at 11:34 am)ukatheist Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am)Whateverist Wrote: Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

We all know it was you W, don't be acting all innocent now [emoji52]

That was me, sorry.

Actually, Ark is wiring up for a presup gotcha argument, I think it's one of Bruggencate's or Hovind Jr's. Basically, if you don't worship Big-G "God", than you worship yourself. Therefore you are your own god. Therefore atheists don't exist, because we believe in gods. QED and invoice enc.