(September 23, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Infinite mass must then make room for finite space in some manner...because a spatially infinite mass contains no space anywhere forever.

In order for any of it to move, there must be a counter movement in the opposite direction. The Unmoved Mover stays in place and creates motive force by moving both directions at once.

Both directions? There are two? And the Unmoved Mover I take it is located where? Where does this force "stay in place"? This is gibberish.

Exactly. If you insist something doesn't have to submit to this "must have a..." rule, then why arbitrarily assume it is one step backwards from our entire reality?

Notice how it's always one step back, too. At least in religious circles. It's our reality, then a "God". It's never our reality, then a crappy computer programmer in another reality, which was in turn created by a "God".

God is a placeholder for "I don't know". Yet it makes the person feel that they have an actual answer so they stop looking; hence the danger.

(September 23, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Is that you in that picture?

In my signature?  No, that's just a whimsical picture which I liked.

I like it too.  My interpretation is this is your reaction to having been told you can never step in the same river twice.

(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't care about gods, even if you could whip one out right now and rub it in my face.

Why should I care?

Because you are one.

Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

(September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Because you are one.

Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

We all know it was you W, don't be acting all innocent now [emoji52]

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(September 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm)fdesilva Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Therefore god?

Not yet, just getting you guys prepared.

You'll have to do much better.

(September 24, 2016 at 11:34 am)ukatheist Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am)Whateverist Wrote: Okay, but which one of us is the one that did all that stuff in Genesis?  Who thought up the serpent and the naughty apples?  I want the name of the god who decided to create an eternal torture chamber and may as well tell who was responsible for the whole afterlife debacle.  

Or did you just redefine "god" to mean any member of the species homo sapiens?

We all know it was you W, don't be acting all innocent now [emoji52]

That was me, sorry.

Actually, Ark is wiring up for a presup gotcha argument, I think it's one of Bruggencate's or Hovind Jr's. Basically, if you don't worship Big-G "God", than you worship yourself. Therefore you are your own god. Therefore atheists don't exist, because we believe in gods. QED and invoice enc.