(November 5, 2016 at 6:35 am)Mathilda Wrote: Positive case for voting Donald Trump? A challenge but I think I can do it.

Altruism.

To the rest of the world.

It will be the funniest three months in history.

You will reverse a global brain drain as skilled immigrants go back home and help develop their own countries at the expense of the US economy.

The US dollar will no longer be the global reserve currency and other countries will flock to using the Euro which give the European Union more power and influence to propagate decent social standards globally.

No longer being the global reserve currency means that the US can no longer export their inflation, they will find it harder to fund their huge military presence around the world and exert undue influence on global politics.

This in turn will reduce global terrorism.

Global leaders will treat Trump like a child and win the best trade deals for themselves, the very best trade deals, all the bigly trade deals, by flattering his ego and manipulating him.

Fuck. I think I'm now a Trump supporter.

Hell, that's actually pretty good. Maybe there will be an upside if the bleached sphincter gets into office. If it really did lower global terrorism and help europe, that might be worth it. The UK survived it's shrinkage after all. We will, too.
Gotta try and look on the bright side, if the worst actually happens on Tuesday.

Quote:Bill Clintons controversies have been investigated to death and they still have found nothing

Worth repeating for the Drumpfucks.

(November 5, 2016 at 7:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(November 5, 2016 at 4:23 pm)A Theist Wrote: I'm already deprived of healthcare...I can't afford what they offer where I work and I can't afford obamacare....

Patently impossible.  If you can't afford it, you'll be on the lists of the subsidized.  That's how obamacare works.  If what you mean is that you don;t -want- to pay the premiums and/or have found yourself to be living beyond your means........well, cry me a river.  I've been there, I didn't bitch and moan, or lash out at poor people because of it. I got off my ass and changed my situation.

Quote:and what about the millions of other low wage working people who are stuck paying the bills for those who don't contribute but are screwed out of having the benefits they pay for? You think it's okay to shittify their lives? You think it's okay to screw over the working people? The ones raking us over the coals are the democrats in Washington. Taking money out of the pockets of 60 hours a week low income wage earners and doling it out to those who don't contribute. How is that fair?

The low wage are the ones that obamacare has been a plus -for-.....what america do you live in, on what planet?  "Those who don't contribute" were already -on- free, state healthcare, before obamacare, in so much as those services even existed, where folks like yourself and your betters hadn't demonized them as the problem, rather than their crushing poverty.

Quote:...and how is that even remotely - American -...let alone a good idea to continually screw over the working people? Whatever happened to the idea of personal responsibility, to work and provide for your households? Your way, taking from the working people who can barely make ends meet themselves, and putting it in the pockets of those who leech off everybody else, doesn't create unity.

You and I both provide for our families, that seems to be the american ideal from where we sit, doesn't it?  Let's cut to the chase, you don't like the "moochers"....you know, your fellow trump voters ( I know, I know, you had a darker set in mind, lol).  So fuck those guys, who cares if they're american, let them get sick and die quickly, because you're accustomed to a certain standard of living.

Quote:Get rid of Obamacare. Why should working people continue to pay for something they can't afford to benefit from themselves?

If you can't afford it, it gets subsidized. We help the least of us because it is by -their- situation, and not ours, that the value of our nation can be determined.  My success is not made sweet by seeing my fellow americans suffer. The taxes I pay mean little to me and the world to them. Personally, I'm on the VA system. Unlike yourself, I'm all in with the USA and always have been.

What a crock of shit man....I'd be ashamed in the presence of a flag if i thought the kinds of things you've expressed, here.

You're full of shit. You don't anything about me. Yeah, I was on the list subsidies alright. Some fucking help that was. Even with the subsidies it was out of reach. You can take your bleeding heart liberalism and shove it up your ass. You don't care about the working people. All they are to you is a tax source to fund government distribution of wealth. You should pass along your advice to those who don't contribute, stop bitching and moaning and get off their asses and change their situation.

(November 6, 2016 at 8:21 am)A Theist Wrote: You're full of shit. You don't anything about me. Yeah, I was on the list subsidies alright. Some fucking help that was. Even with the subsidies it was out of reach. You can take your bleeding heart liberalism and shove it up your ass. You don't care about the working people. All they are to you is a tax source to fund government distribution of wealth. You should pass along your advice to those who don't contribute, stop bitching and moaning and get off their asses and change their situation.

I'll say it again, what the US needs is a health tax for everyone which makes healthcare free at point of use.
All this insurance stuff would not fly in the UK, but I suppose the US is the ultimate corporate state, controlled purely by money for the benefit of the rich.

(November 6, 2016 at 8:21 am)A Theist Wrote:

(November 5, 2016 at 7:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Patently impossible.  If you can't afford it, you'll be on the lists of the subsidized.  That's how obamacare works.  If what you mean is that you don;t -want- to pay the premiums and/or have found yourself to be living beyond your means........well, cry me a river.  I've been there, I didn't bitch and moan, or lash out at poor people because of it.  I got off my ass and changed my situation.

The low wage are the ones that obamacare has been a plus -for-.....what america do you live in, on what planet?  "Those who don't contribute" were already -on- free, state healthcare, before obamacare, in so much as those services even existed, where folks like yourself and your betters hadn't demonized them as the problem, rather than their crushing poverty.

You and I both provide for our families, that seems to be the american ideal from where we sit, doesn't it?  Let's cut to the chase, you don't like the "moochers"....you know, your fellow trump voters ( I know, I know, you had a darker set in mind, lol).  So fuck those guys, who cares if they're american, let them get sick and die quickly, because you're accustomed to a certain standard of living.  

If you can't afford it, it gets subsidized.  We help the least of us because it is by -their- situation, and not ours, that the value of our nation can be determined.   My success is not made sweet by seeing my fellow americans suffer.  The taxes I pay mean little to me and the world to them.  Personally, I'm on the VA system.  Unlike yourself, I'm all in with the USA and always have been.

What a crock of shit man....I'd be ashamed in the presence of a flag if i thought the kinds of things you've expressed, here.

You're full of shit. You don't anything about me. Yeah, I was on the list subsidies alright. Some fucking help that was. Even with the subsidies it was out of reach. You can take your bleeding heart liberalism and shove it up your ass. You don't care about the working people. All they are to you is a tax source to fund government distribution of wealth. You should pass along your advice to those who don't contribute, stop bitching and moaning and get off their asses and change their situation.

So you're cool with my whole family losing their insurance, including my toddler?  Thanks, asshole.  My husband is a small business owner and busts his ASS, btw; and practically hemorrhages money toward federal income tax every year.  Yeah, you and trump are really for the hard-working middle class, aren't you?  Wish I had a middle finger emoji...

And BELIEVE me...I have my gripes about Obamacare. You have NO IDEA. I've been through it. I feel like I could practically work for the state at this point after all the shit I went through to get my family insured. But, it seems like basic common sense to me, to work on fixing what's wrong with it first, before we scrap it with NO PLAN whatsoever of what to replace it with, leaving millions of American families uncovered.

I thought you were British because of your time zone on your profile LFC. I always thought you were British lol.

Now I know why you're so enthusiastic. Us Brits are miserable fucks

I generally don't care much for political memes, but this one hits home for me:

(November 6, 2016 at 8:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 6, 2016 at 8:21 am)A Theist Wrote: You're full of shit. You don't anything about me. Yeah, I was on the list subsidies alright. Some fucking help that was. Even with the subsidies it was out of reach. You can take your bleeding heart liberalism and shove it up your ass. You don't care about the working people. All they are to you is a tax source to fund government distribution of wealth. You should pass along your advice to those who don't contribute, stop bitching and moaning and get off their asses and change their situation.

So you're cool with my whole family losing their insurance, including my toddler?  Thanks, asshole.  My husband is a small business owner and busts his ASS, btw; and practically hemorrhages money toward federal income tax every year.  Yeah, you and trump are really for the hard-working middle class, aren't you?  Wish I had a middle finger emoji...

No, I'm not cool with working families losing their health care coverage. I don't have a problem with working people who pay into the "system" to reap the benefits they're paying for. I do have a problem paying into a system where people who don't contribute get benefits for free that we pay for but we can't afford the purchase price for those same benefits . Obamacare isn't the answer. At least you can better afford it than I can.

(November 6, 2016 at 9:03 am)A Theist Wrote:

(November 6, 2016 at 8:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: So you're cool with my whole family losing their insurance, including my toddler?  Thanks, asshole.  My husband is a small business owner and busts his ASS, btw; and practically hemorrhages money toward federal income tax every year.  Yeah, you and trump are really for the hard-working middle class, aren't you?  Wish I had a middle finger emoji...

No, I'm not cool with working families losing their health care coverage. I don't have a problem with working people who pay into the "system" to reap the benefits they're paying for. I do have a problem paying into a system where people who don't contribute get free benefits we pay for but can't afford them for ourselves. Obamacare isn't the answer. At least you can better afford it than I can.

Yeah, only if my husband writes off half his income every year, which has made it impossible for us to qualify for a mortgage loan. Trust me, I understand your frustrations intimately, but it makes no sense to ditch it until there is a fleshed out and detailed strategy for replacing it. Which, so far as I can tell, 2 days away from the election, Trump does not have.