I know that I must exist in this possible world.

I know that A=A in all possible worlds, with or without me.

(November 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Wouldn't that still fall under he umbrella of your response top solipsism Aegon?

Well, yeah. If I were a simulation and you were the only real one, yeah, just like if the reverse were true, I couldn't do much about it. But the thought of just being a tool in somebody else's virtual reality still scares me more than being the real one in a virtual reality.

(November 17, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Tangra Wrote:

(November 17, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Solipsism. Let's discuss it.

From an ontological perspective discussion comes way down the road after whatever it is we are.

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(November 17, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Tangra Wrote: From an ontological perspective discussion comes way down the road after whatever it is we are.

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Perhaps kind of like measuring the earth by a grain of sand, if I might indulge myself

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No, you might not. Please explain yourself.

(November 17, 2016 at 2:49 pm)Aegon Wrote: I find solipsism useless since there aren't any consequences to it. Even if I'm the only thing that's "real," everything else is so real to me that it wouldn't make a difference. But ignoring that, I don't actually find the idea frightening like many people do. What I find more frightening would be the idea that I'm just a very high-functioning simulation in somebody else's experience, and they're the only "real" one.

In what sense is it inconsequential ? How is it less so than anything else?

We can know that whatever existed would still exist even if we did not.

(November 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I know that I must exist in this possible world.

I know that A=A in all possible worlds, with or without me.

Have you considered dialethia?

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(November 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Tangra Wrote:

(November 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I know that I must exist in this possible world.

I know that A=A in all possible worlds, with or without me.

Have you considered dialethia?

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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dialetheism/

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(November 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Alex K Wrote: Can the self be known to exist? I don't think it is obvious.

I don't know what you mean by self or existence, if you doubt them. Am I to understand you're saying nothing can be known to exist, therefore nothing exists?

(November 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Tangra Wrote:

(November 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I know that I must exist in this possible world.

I know that A=A in all possible worlds, with or without me.

Have you considered dialethia?

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(November 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Tangra Wrote: Have you considered dialethia?

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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dialetheism/

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It's a categorically false viewpoint.

(November 17, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(November 17, 2016 at 2:49 pm)Aegon Wrote: I find solipsism useless since there aren't any consequences to it. Even if I'm the only thing that's "real," everything else is so real to me that it wouldn't make a difference. But ignoring that, I don't actually find the idea frightening like many people do. What I find more frightening would be the idea that I'm just a very high-functioning simulation in somebody else's experience, and they're the only "real" one.

In what sense is it inconsequential ? How is it less so than anything else?

Certain fields of philosophy are more practical to study. For example, political philosophy, as I see it, is a way to try and achieve the best possible society under certain sets of circumstances. Aristotle's Politics deals with this. Political philosophy has the ability to be applied in a practical setting. Even lines of thought like Socrates' discussion on what defines justice is still more practical, because if you are searching for ways to create a just society or to act as justly as possible, you will need to decide what justice is. Things can change depending on the conclusion. This isn't the case with stuff like solipsism. Even if it were true, what can I do in response? How could it impact the way I do things or the way a society does something?

(November 17, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(November 17, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Tangra Wrote: From an ontological perspective discussion comes way down the road after whatever it is we are.

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Perhaps kind of like measuring the earth by a grain of sand, if I might indulge myself

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No, you might not. Please explain yourself.

Because of the nature of the question, it's like counting to infinity. 1+1+1...

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