(June 16, 2011 at 8:44 am)colubridae Wrote:

(June 16, 2011 at 5:33 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Is that before or after he cursed a figtree?

Did you post on RDF?

Touchy subject.

A) before I begin on page 2 or thereabouts you conflated atheism with antitheism "I'm an atheist of the worst kind, I hate organised religion...". It's actually fairly important in my view that we keeps these two separate (Its probably true that there is a high correlation between atheism and antitheism, but even theists can be antitheists, its important that people understand the difference).

I'm not a fan of the omnipotence paradox, not that i think you're wrong, its just hard to grasp that its not semantic trickery looking at arguments for and against. I prefer the whole shebang, omnipotence, omnibenevolence, omnipresence and omniscience + idea's like free will, evil and hell, and how they contradict themselves, and how they contradict one another. (Also, if we take omnipresence as true, God is, right now, well and truly, up your butt *snicker*). Predestination, free will, Yahweh the fallible, Yahweh the malevolent, Yahweh and the laws he gave, its all good stuff.

The attributes associated with this atrocious arsehole, alongside the apocryphal accounts, are absolutely absurd.

(June 16, 2011 at 9:03 am)leo-rcc Wrote:

(June 16, 2011 at 8:44 am)colubridae Wrote:

(June 16, 2011 at 5:33 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Is that before or after he cursed a figtree?

Did you post on RDF?

Touchy subject.

oops awfully sorry. Commiserations etc.

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Stue Denim Wrote:A) before I begin on page 2 or thereabouts you conflated atheism with antitheism "I'm an atheist of the worst kind, I hate organised religion...". It's actually fairly important in my view that we keeps these two separate (Its probably true that there is a high correlation between atheism and antitheism, but even theists can be antitheists, its important that people understand the difference).

Ok then I’m an agnostic antitheist antideist atheist (B.Sc). But I’ve still got my appendix. Think that covers everything

Stue Denim Wrote:I'm not a fan of the omnipotence paradox, not that i think you're wrong, its just hard to grasp that its not semantic trickery looking at arguments for and against. I prefer the whole shebang, omnipotence, omnibenevolence, omnipresence and omniscience + idea's like free will, evil and hell, and how they contradict themselves, and how they contradict one another. (Also, if we take omnipresence as true, God is, right now, well and truly, up your butt *snicker*). Predestination, free will, Yahweh the fallible, Yahweh the malevolent, Yahweh and the laws he gave, its all good stuff.

The attributes associated with this atrocious arsehole, alongside the apocryphal accounts, are absolutely absurd.

I’m not a ‘fan’ of it other than as a stick to beat idiot theists with.
It’s fun watching them come up with dumb expressions like omnimax, which is like Imax but with a bit of omni thrown in.

Also if you want to play with words I suppose omnipotent covers omnipresent etc…

Unfortunately I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I hate giving the ‘opposition’ Kevlar vests but on the other hand my damned self respect keeps getting in the way. I have some info that might help them. I’ll hand it over but not easily.

Quote:Ok then I’m an agnostic antitheist antideist atheist (B.Sc). But I’ve still got my appendix. Think that covers everything

Meh, not if you're a manipulator of people and find religion useful, B.Sc + good person with morals is needed I guess

(June 16, 2011 at 11:08 am)Stue Denim Wrote:

Quote:Ok then I’m an agnostic antitheist antideist atheist (B.Sc). But I’ve still got my appendix. Think that covers everything

Meh, not if you're a manipulator of people and find religion useful, B.Sc + good person with morals is needed I guess

Hmmm. Suggesting I'm a manipulator.
You're not trying to manipulate me are you?

So this is fun. Getting cold on my physical evidence though.

(June 16, 2011 at 11:20 am)colubridae Wrote:

(June 16, 2011 at 11:08 am)Stue Denim Wrote:

Quote:Ok then I’m an agnostic antitheist antideist atheist (B.Sc). But I’ve still got my appendix. Think that covers everything

Meh, not if you're a manipulator of people and find religion useful, B.Sc + good person with morals is needed I guess

Hmmm. Suggesting I'm a manipulator.
You're not trying to manipulate me are you?

So this is fun. Getting cold on my physical evidence though.

Nah I mean't that the B.Sc certainly covers the agnostic and atheist, adeist i'll grant, But antitheist I can think up exceptions for.

Why give em a kevlar vest? What I'm proposing is getting them to strip. By getting them to define their deity as accurately as possible you can attack their (and their deity's) soft jiggly flesh.

agreed.

Unfortunately the omnipotence paradox was a particular favourite of mine, which if I'm honest with myself I can't use anymore

I too have a disdain for religion, just not the religious, at least not the ones that don't try shove that shit down my throat and those who don't use their ancient text as an excuse to hate the people they already hate. If you truly want rid the world of theism then a respectful tone and logical arguments are the only way to get that done.

(June 16, 2011 at 10:26 am)colubridae Wrote: It’s fun watching them come up with dumb expressions like omnimax, which is like Imax but with a bit of omni thrown in.

Omnimax is an Imax theater with a curved screen that gives you a sense of movement when the camera moves. They're actually really cool.

(June 16, 2011 at 2:44 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: I too have a disdain for religion, just not the religious, at least not the ones that don't try shove that shit down my throat and those who don't use their ancient text as an excuse to hate the people they already hate. If you truly want rid the world of theism then a respectful tone and logical arguments are the only way to get that done.

(June 16, 2011 at 10:26 am)colubridae Wrote: It’s fun watching them come up with dumb expressions like omnimax, which is like Imax but with a bit of omni thrown in.

Omnimax is an Imax theater with a curved screen that gives you a sense of movement when the camera moves. They're actually really cool.

A respectful tone and logical arguments? Won't that come as a shock given: a) their perception of atheists as baby munching, bunny stomping satan worshipers? b) the fact that they have never encounter this (logical arguments) before?

edit: bad speller, bad stue! naughty!

(June 16, 2011 at 2:52 pm)Stue Denim Wrote:

(June 16, 2011 at 2:44 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: I too have a disdain for religion, just not the religious, at least not the ones that don't try shove that shit down my throat and those who don't use their ancient text as an excuse to hate the people they already hate. If you truly want rid the world of theism then a respectful tone and logical arguments are the only way to get that done.

(June 16, 2011 at 10:26 am)colubridae Wrote: It’s fun watching them come up with dumb expressions like omnimax, which is like Imax but with a bit of omni thrown in.

Omnimax is an Imax theater with a curved screen that gives you a sense of movement when the camera moves. They're actually really cool.

A respectful tone and logical arguments? Won't that come as a shock given: a) their perception of atheists and baby munching, bunny stomping satan worshipers? b) the fact that they have never encounter this (logical arguments) before?

I don't know about yourself, but I stomp on bunny rabbits... STOMP, STOMP, SQUELCH