(December 19, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 10:42 am)Orochi Wrote: abusurd I no more fear the concept of god then I do the concept of invisible man eating gym socks

I'll have you know, there is a Sock Monster. He lives in the dryer and is the Reason why you always end up with a singleton sock after the folding is done! Can I get a "Hallelujah"?

Hallelujah

(December 19, 2016 at 1:51 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 1:26 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: It not 100%. I think, at most its 99.99%.

Excuse me, you don't get to have a say in what I believe. You can't read my mind. I am telling you that I have absolutely no doubt. I did when I first became an atheist but that was left over guilt for leaving what I had been raised to believe. You can tell me you think I'm wrong in my beliefs all you want but you step over the line by telling me what I believe.

ML, He may have a point. You have every right to believe in anything 100% (as do theists) but we are only entitled to our opinions, not our own facts.
You or I or anyone else cannot conclusively prove anything 100%, therefore anyone's strong 100% belief is really just an opinion. No more or less valid than the person's next to you.

It's perfectly understandable that anyone who has escaped religion may have residual emotions, including fear. But I would expect those who have never been under the spell have no reaction to it at all. It's all as fictional to me as any other book, and it all holds not the slightest sway over me.

(December 19, 2016 at 10:46 am)ukatheist Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 10:42 am)Orochi Wrote: abusurd I no more fear the concept of god then I do the concept of invisible man eating gym socks

Was that an invisible man, who eats gym socks, or invisible gym socks, who eat men? Or even visible gym socks, who eat invisible men? [emoji52]

They all sound scary to me [emoji14]

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The later and yes it's freaking terrifying

I think, if existence of God, even if he is a brutal tyrant as some of the strands of religion around the world like to suggest, is only a 0.1%(or even less), its still is a possibility.

(December 20, 2016 at 4:40 am)ignoramus Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 1:51 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: Excuse me, you don't get to have a say in what I believe. You can't read my mind. I am telling you that I have absolutely no doubt. I did when I first became an atheist but that was left over guilt for leaving what I had been raised to believe. You can tell me you think I'm wrong in my beliefs all you want but you step over the line by telling me what I believe.

ML, He may have a point. You have every right to believe in anything 100% (as do theists) but we are only entitled to our opinions, not our own facts.
You or I or anyone else cannot conclusively prove anything 100%, therefore anyone's strong 100% belief is really just an opinion. No more or less valid than the person's next to you.

But he wasn't saying the 100% was about the fact. He was saying I was 99.99% sure about something. No he doesn't get to say how sure of something I am.

(December 20, 2016 at 10:49 am)purplepurpose Wrote: I think, if existence of God, even if he is a brutal tyrant as some of the strands of religion around the world like to suggest, is only a 0.1%(or even less), its still is a possibility.

Sure, well anything that's logically consistent is possible in theory. But you can't live your life accounting for every crazy thing you could think up.

Best to deal with what's established to be real, in my opinion. If there is a celestial tyrant then fuck him anyway.

(December 19, 2016 at 1:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: There may be some small percentage of people that identify as atheists, that may consider that part of the reason for their atheism, but I don't believe it is anything other than a small minority.

The vast majority of atheists are so, because there has never been sufficient, demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, and reasoned argument presented to support the claim that a god exists.

That is my reason. The god under discussion could be the most peaceful, loving, just god devisable, but unless the case for its existence does not meet that above mentioned criteria, I will still not believe.

Disagree. I think all atheists think this way. Especially you. You are afraid of the wrath of God but you don't want to admit it. You simply just don't want to be a good person, so you tell yourself you don't believe in God so you can go out and do whatever you want and not feel bad. Deep in the inside of your heart, you know The Truth.

Jesus C-L, what the hell do you mean  by "don't want to be a good person"? I am a dedicated, full time atheist and have no desire to "go out and do whatever you want and not feel bad", nor am I "afraid of the wrath of God" since I see no evidence that such a thing/being or whatever exists. I do my best to "do unto others as I wish to be done unto". I have no interest what others believe or do as long as I am not physically attacked. If you want to believe in "God" that is your business, I just don't want to be preached at.

I've read the Bible, been to Sunday school as a child and have never been able to see any reason to believe. I was never able to understand "sheep, shepherds lords,kings," (and still don't) or that someone who was assassinated could love me or guide me. And lets face it, the emanate re-coming hasn't come about even though all Christian denominations insist that Jesus will come at any time and so we should keep out houses in order. Hogwash.

I admire your ability to keep your faith in this day and age when there is so much scientific evidence of the inadequacies of Bible precepts. I have always felt that the Bible at best was a guide and that much was myth in the interest of "helping" people. One problem with (especially) the KJV Bible is it talks of [as above] which we have no understanding. In this time we live in a predominately urban society that has little to no contact with shepherds or Lords. We are not beholding to some one who controls our lives as in medieval Europe.

In any case I am quite happy with my life as an atheist. I don't find it in conflict with my understanding of the universe.
BTW the big bang wasn't. It was an inflation; light and vibrations that produce sound came seconds or hours after the whole thing started.

Well I guess I've run out of steam so I'll stop.

(December 21, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Omnibus E Plrus Nhilist Wrote:

(December 19, 2016 at 1:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Disagree. I think all atheists think this way. Especially you. You are afraid of the wrath of God but you don't want to admit it. You simply just don't want to be a good person, so you tell yourself you don't believe in God so you can go out and do whatever you want and not feel bad. Deep in the inside of your heart, you know The Truth.

Jesus C-L, what the hell do you mean  by "don't want to be a good person"? I am a dedicated, full time atheist and have no desire to "go out and do whatever you want and not feel bad", nor am I "afraid of the wrath of God" since I see no evidence that such a thing/being or whatever exists. I do my best to "do unto others as I wish to be done unto". I have no interest what others believe or do as long as I am not physically attacked. If you want to believe in "God" that is your business, I just don't want to be preached at.

I've read the Bible, been to Sunday school as a child and have never been able to see any reason to believe. I was never able to understand "sheep, shepherds lords,kings," (and still don't) or that someone who was assassinated could love me or guide me. And lets face it, the emanate re-coming hasn't come about even though all Christian denominations insist that Jesus will come at any time and so we should keep out houses in order. Hogwash.

I admire your ability to keep your faith in this day and age when there is so much scientific evidence of the inadequacies of Bible precepts. I have always felt that the Bible at best was a guide and that much was myth in the interest of "helping" people. One problem with (especially) the KJV Bible is it talks of [as above] which we have no understanding. In this time we live in a predominately urban society that has little to no contact with shepherds or Lords. We are not beholding to some one who controls our lives as in medieval Europe.

In any case I am quite happy with my life as an atheist. I don't find it in conflict with my understanding of the universe.
BTW the big bang wasn't. It was an inflation; light and vibrations that produce sound came seconds or hours after the whole thing started.

Well I guess I've run out of steam so I'll stop.

I wouldn't take it too personally.  They have to think like this to avoid accidentally realizing there are good reasons not to believe in fair tales and magical powers.  Of course, usually they aren't so arrogant and dickish about it.

But anyway, I wouldn't let this bother you coming from someone whose mind and way of thinking is so twisted that they can't see the logical flow from "I am afraid of God's wrath" to "I will do what she says so I do not incur her wrath" and instead thing we go from, "I am afraid of God's wrath" to "So I will refuse to believe in her, but remain afraid of her wrath".  It's one idiotic belief in a stack of idiotic, contradictory beliefs, none of which make any sense.  Yes, it's particularly incensing and insulting, but look who you're talking to.  Do you really expect higher thought processes?  From someone who has to think with their "heart" because even their brain is just too damned functional to process the information and come out with the answer they want?  I wouldn't sweat it.

(December 22, 2016 at 11:20 am)Asmodee Wrote:

(December 21, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Omnibus E Plrus Nhilist Wrote: Jesus C-L, what the hell do you mean  by "don't want to be a good person"? I am a dedicated, full time atheist and have no desire to "go out and do whatever you want and not feel bad", nor am I "afraid of the wrath of God" since I see no evidence that such a thing/being or whatever exists. I do my best to "do unto others as I wish to be done unto". I have no interest what others believe or do as long as I am not physically attacked. If you want to believe in "God" that is your business, I just don't want to be preached at.

I've read the Bible, been to Sunday school as a child and have never been able to see any reason to believe. I was never able to understand "sheep, shepherds lords,kings," (and still don't) or that someone who was assassinated could love me or guide me. And lets face it, the emanate re-coming hasn't come about even though all Christian denominations insist that Jesus will come at any time and so we should keep out houses in order. Hogwash.

I admire your ability to keep your faith in this day and age when there is so much scientific evidence of the inadequacies of Bible precepts. I have always felt that the Bible at best was a guide and that much was myth in the interest of "helping" people. One problem with (especially) the KJV Bible is it talks of [as above] which we have no understanding. In this time we live in a predominately urban society that has little to no contact with shepherds or Lords. We are not beholding to some one who controls our lives as in medieval Europe.

In any case I am quite happy with my life as an atheist. I don't find it in conflict with my understanding of the universe.
BTW the big bang wasn't. It was an inflation; light and vibrations that produce sound came seconds or hours after the whole thing started.

Well I guess I've run out of steam so I'll stop.

I wouldn't take it too personally.  They have to think like this to avoid accidentally realizing there are good reasons not to believe in fair tales and magical powers.  Of course, usually they aren't so arrogant and dickish about it.

But anyway, I wouldn't let this bother you coming from someone whose mind and way of thinking is so twisted that they can't see the logical flow from "I am afraid of God's wrath" to "I will do what she says so I do not incur her wrath" and instead thing we go from, "I am afraid of God's wrath" to "So I will refuse to believe in her, but remain afraid of her wrath".  It's one idiotic belief in a stack of idiotic, contradictory beliefs, none of which make any sense.  Yes, it's particularly incensing and insulting, but look who you're talking to.  Do you really expect higher thought processes?  From someone who has to think with their "heart" because even their brain is just too damned functional to process the information and come out with the answer they want?  I wouldn't sweat it.

LOL I was joking sillies.

I was only behaving in the way that some of you expect all of us Christians to behave.