(January 1, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote: I am curious though; I thought atheists didn't believe in hell.. err lacked belief in it.

That's actually irrelevant. The point is that you believe in it, and that you believe that we as non-believers deserve the fate (if the latter is not your belief then fine; consider this an illustration for someone who does).

In other words, whatever the concept of hell being mooted, be it eternal fiery torture all the way to eternal separation from your god and exclusion from the in-crowd, you are of the opinion that a person who doesn't believe what you believe they should believe - stay with me - is worth such treatment.

It's no different to my saying that because you didn't send me a xmas card, you are such low value in my opinion that I am going to make a voodoo doll of you (correctly a 'poppet') and inflict agonising torments on you for the rest of your life. That you may think that's insane is immaterial; what is on trial here is my opinion of you, and for such a trivial 'offence'.

Put more simply, by saying an atheist is hellbound you basically just said "die in a fire", because there's something broken in us that fails to match up to an "if you're not with us, you're against us" standard laid down in a book of myths.

Besides which, I'm nit super-keen on this whole "brining people" thing.

(January 1, 2017 at 7:21 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote: Let's ask him directly : Dragonspride 1995 - I reject Jesus as my Lord and savior. I reject the idea of one god ( or any gods). Do you think I am going to hell?

John 14:6 New International Version

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If you fail to accept Jesus Christ by the time of your death you will go to hell.

Good! I believe your comment is irrational and insane.

Jeez, don't give the guy a complex.  You pushed him for the answer you knew he'd give and got it.  The last thing we want around here is this guy to feel like he has to save us from the fate he believes will be ours otherwise.  I mean, you're not really worried about it, right?  Me neither.  

Don't you worry about us Dragonguy.  We're good.

(January 1, 2017 at 1:07 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Luckie Wrote: Apparently god can ignore us, but if we ignore him , we go to hellish fiery torment for all eternity. Lovely. And I suppose you're going to tell me I deserve hell because some mythical human in a garden being guarded by cherubs (no joke), ate an apple. Off the wrong tree. 

Do you see what I'm getting at here sir or miss?? 

For the record, I read more of the Bible now than I did as a 'believer'. Maybe you might consider covering the book of Bible first. Because I guarantee every transgression I cited above, every discrimination, every malcontent thought--is based upon the contents of the bible. As a matter of fact, you're sinning by fraternizing with us atheists! If you think the old testament laws are disconnected from the laws you should be following as a good and true Christian? You're wrong. You either need to full on own the faith you proclaim (includong the dime throwing), or drop it. Right now you're luke warm, my friend. And once you know, you cannot unknow what it is that you knowingly have ccome to know that you know, you know?

1. I understand your line of reasoning.

2. You have not taken the mosaic law into the context of the laws you are citing

3. You are missing the "When in Israel" Portion in the beginning of the chapter.

Again for theological reasons I disagree with you. However out of respect for the context of the thread I won't get into them.

 
This is perfect of example of why Christians turn a blind eye to the transgressions of other professed Christians. It's called the no true Scotsman fallacy, and other Christians are just as able to disown you from their religion as you are them. To them, it is you who does not adhere to the bible that they follow. Until you grasp this concept, your notion of writing a book on the wrongs Christians commit without understanding their reasoing, is useless at best.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

Luke 12:51-52
51 "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division." 52 "For from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three"

Matthew 10:34-35
34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." 35 "For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."

(January 1, 2017 at 10:23 pm)Luckie Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 1:07 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote: 1. I understand your line of reasoning.

2. You have not taken the mosaic law into the context of the laws you are citing

3. You are missing the "When in Israel" Portion in the beginning of the chapter.

Again for theological reasons I disagree with you. However out of respect for the context of the thread I won't get into them.

 
This is perfect of example of why Christians turn a blind eye to the transgressions of other professed Christians. It's called the no true Scotsman fallacy, and other Christians are just as able to disown you from their religion as you are them. To them, it is you who does not adhere to the bible that they follow. Until you grasp this concept, your notion of writing a book on the wrongs Christians commit without understanding their reasoing, is useless at best.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.  I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."  (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."  (Luke 16:17 NAB)

Luke 12:51-52
51 "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division." 52 "For from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three"

Matthew 10:34-35
34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." 35 "For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."

I tried to say exactly this from the start, it took this long for someone else to pick up the fumble and carry it to the endzone.

(January 1, 2017 at 8:14 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: If it's only for those entities, then why mention the place to us, humans?
What do we care about it?

God likes efficiency. Rather than creating a separate horrible place for the nasty little heathens who reject his battered-wife-style love, he just uses the one he already created for the nasty little angels who dared to question his authority for no good reason except for all the good reasons.

Just a suggestion, but, if you talked less like this guy


You might be more effective in getting the ball to the inzone.

(January 1, 2017 at 11:42 pm)Luckie Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:14 pm)Astonished Wrote: God likes efficiency. Rather than creating a separate horrible place for the nasty little heathens who reject his battered-wife-style love, he just uses the one he already created for the nasty little angels who dared to question his authority for no good reason except for all the good reasons.

Just a suggestion, but, if you talked less like this guy

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You might be more effective in getting the ball to the inzone.

And here I thought I was being charming and cute. Well, unlike theists, I welcome criticism.

And then we eats it whole, precious.

(January 1, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And then we eats it whole, precious.

Unlesses it's not kosherses.

Kosherses? Curse us and splash us!