Quote:On what basis can you rule anything out if you don't know?

There is no evidence for your invisible sky daddy at all.  On that basis it can be dismissed as total fucking bullshit and science is free to examine legitimate lines of evidence.

(January 16, 2017 at 7:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'll quote the definition of supernatural again.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...pernatural

Quote:supernatural

1(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature:

If "the laws of nature" did not exist, then whatever state existed, existed apart from nature, making it supernatural by definition... got it?

If the laws of nature did not exist, there was nothing for the supernatural to be beyond. By definition. The one you chose.

You just disproved the supernatural as a cause of the Universe. Well done.

(January 16, 2017 at 8:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Seeing how time is relative it's totally doable.

You do realize that from our perspective it may take a photon years to reach it's destination, but from the point of view of a photon, it takes no time at all, it's instantaneous.

Aww, you mentioned relativity. That's adorable. Like watching a four-year old try to ride a bike.

Relativity is about how matter flows through time relative to its velocity. It doesn't mean that talking about a point in time when time did not exist suddenly isn't nonsensical.

(January 16, 2017 at 8:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Seeing how every living thing has a spirit (including you), I don't see how you figure it is, especially when there are cases that suggest consciousness can exist without a functioning brain.

Ah, yes, this magical "spirit" that no one can find, no one can describe, no one knows where it's at, no one knows what it does, no scientific study has ever found the tiniest scrap of evidence for but religious people really, really insist is there. They point at things we don't understand about the most complex organ in the human body and say, "See! I promise you it's hiding in those ever-shrinking gaps!"

Tell you what, Huggy. You let someone fillet your brain with a butcher knife then come and tell me how you can float around without a brain, and I promise you I will convert on the spot.

No mention of any fucking gods.

(January 16, 2017 at 7:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(January 16, 2017 at 6:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: This is bullshit.  Not knowing doesn't preclude one from ruling out specific answers.  And in the case of naturalists answering the question, it's often implied that what they don't know is a plausible naturalistic explanation.  Supernatural explanations are unbounded.  Unless you've got something better than magic as an explanation, you've got nothing.  The number of potential magical beings that could be responsible is infinite, and you have no way of narrowing that pool to one.

Wrong.

On what basis can you rule anything out if you don't know?

Say you haven't learn the concept of math, on what basis can you say 2+2= 4 is right or wrong if you don't know?

Here's a little better analogy than the crap you just spewed...

Let's say some guys wife is getting boned on the side. He can rule out huge numbers of people his wife might be fucking without ever figuring out who it really is. After all, King Henry the 8th isn't available for any afternoon delight. Neither is Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan swinging by to poke her pussy. He can scratch Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and President Obama from the list since they've never had the opportunity to dance the horizontal mambo with her. In fact, he can rule out quite literally billions of people with absolute certainty (or something so close as to make no difference) without even trying...

It is possible to know what the answer isn't even if you don't know what the answer is.

Besides, you give me four of something and I can certainly tell you I don't have ten of them (or 20, or 100, or 2048, or 243,985,243) without ever figuring 2+2=4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

I just watched the Bill Nye / Ken Ham debate tonight for the first time. When Ham was asked for any sort of real verification on anything at all he just kept referencing the bible. Ham was so out-to-lunch with his bullshit responses that it was actually difficult to watch. I take very little satisfaction any more in watching Theists getting owned in a debate.

I'm starting to think maybe that we as Atheists are the actual retards for even bothering to engage the Theists at all...

(January 12, 2017 at 11:16 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Those who compare God to the tooth fairy are douchebags. I’m sorry but that is truly how I feel. Without even an ounce of shame they ridicule some of the best and brightest thinkers who take up a problem serious and came to serious conclusion. Kierkegaard, Hegel, Kant, Buber, Kripke, Plantinga, Newton, Leibnitz, Putman, and Godel are/were theists. That list doesn’t even include theologians, like David Bentley Hart, or physicists, like, Francis Collins or Max Planck. All brilliant.

Maybe you don’t realize this but it is possible to be an atheist without acting like an infantile little snark. It’s astonishing to me how such ass-wipes will disrespect the legacies of truly great men and women like Dr. King, Bonhoeffer, and Catherine Booth (founder of the Salvation Army) by pretending that their religious convictions did nothing to motivate and inspire them to change the world.

How can anyone seriously believe that the motivating force to build the very first hospitals is in any way comparable to believing in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus? Here in Chicago we have Mount Siani, Rush Presbyterian, Illinois Masonic, Loyola, Mercy, Saints Mary and Elizabeth, Saint Anthony...that’s just a start. They came to be because of religious convictions for which you have no respect.

Boy, you sure are angry.

You can name drop all day but that doesn't make the existence of god any more likely than the existence of a tooth fairy.

The tooth fairy thing makes just as much sense as god, actually.

To be honest, no I do not respect your silly beliefs. You believe that an imaginary being in the sky who created the universe is watching everything you do and judging you based on bronze age criteria which in no way shape or form has any place in today's world. Your beliefs are stupid, despite however smart you may or may not be.

Your beliefs are stupid. Period. Religion is slowly but surely going away and it is an inevitability you have to accept. I don't think I'll see a world free of religion in my time, but trust me, it is on its way.

Hail Satan

Quote:Ham was so out-to-lunch with his bullshit responses that it was actually difficult to watch. I take very little satisfaction any more in watching Theists getting owned in a debate.

I fucking love it.  Idiots need to be exposed.  And their fucking bible needs to be exposed for the pile of primitive dreck that it is.

Also I think comparing God to the Tooth fairy and Santa Claus is a bit unfair.

...When you are a child, you put a tooth under your pillow, and in the morning you wake up and there's money there.
...When you are a child, on Christmas morning, you wake up and there's presents under the tree labeled 'From Santa"
...When you are a child and pray to god, you get results about the same as you would if you asked the same thing from your dog.

(Funny story about that actually. My husband said when he was young whenever he told his dog he wanted snow, it would snow. That dog was really smart too., because he still had her when we got married. If you were out in the yard, she'd do anything you'd do. Digging a hole? She'd be digging one too. So the obvious conclusion from this should be that.... my husband's dog controlled the weather right? I mean we don't know for sure otherwise! And he says it worked every time. Or we could rule it out because dogs can't control weather.)

(January 12, 2017 at 11:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As I said on a different thread, one of the double standards I see among some people here (not all) is that they are quick to attribute a person's bad actions to their religious beliefs. But when a person does something good after being inspired/influenced by their religious beliefs to do so, all of the sudden religion has nothing to do with that person's actions.

What is worse than attributing bad actions to their religion and ignoring the good ones? Focusing on what everyone calls good actions and calling then fraudulant.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL8MDnuUsE4