(April 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Often the point of a weapon is to break things, rather than kill people. If the latter happens, it's a plus.

Easy to picture many millions of dollars worth of ordnance, stuff that was hauled in there on horseback perhaps, being buried under megatons of rock.

(April 14, 2017 at 8:14 am)Isis Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 7:50 am)Jehanne Wrote: It just does not make sense from a physics POV:

Explain.

(April 14, 2017 at 7:50 am)Jehanne Wrote: Besides, how does anyone really know?  Kind of seems like US propaganda here?  Besides, did anyone go into the militant tunnels to count the dead remains?

Surveillance drones? Contact with the Afghan authorities?

Afghan authorities?  I'm sure they are hiding in a closet somewhere until the fighting is over.  Another of the great "alllied armies" we have trained.

(April 14, 2017 at 7:50 am)Jehanne Wrote: It just does not make sense from a physics POV:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/14/asia/afgha...index.html

Besides, how does anyone really know?  Kind of seems like US propaganda here?  Besides, did anyone go into the militant tunnels to count the dead remains?

And the "ISIS cell" in Afghanistan seems to have sprung up from nowhere. Considering the situation within Afghanistan and with respect to Pakistan, I'm very sceptical as to what was actually hit. I wouldn't be too surprised that what was bombed was an old disused Al-Qaeda base of no strategic worth at all.

Edit: @Isis, why put the flag of a racist, genocidal near dictatorship in your signature? It does not put the UK in a good light.

(April 14, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: And the "ISIS cell" in Afghanistan seems to have sprung up from nowhere. Considering the situation within Afghanistan and with respect to Pakistan, I'm very sceptical as to what was actually hit. I wouldn't be too surprised that what was bombed was an old disused Al-Qaeda base of no strategic worth at all.

Out of nowhere? Uh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_St...n_Province

(April 14, 2017 at 12:17 pm)Isis Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: And the "ISIS cell" in Afghanistan seems to have sprung up from nowhere. Considering the situation within Afghanistan and with respect to Pakistan, I'm very sceptical as to what was actually hit. I wouldn't be too surprised that what was bombed was an old disused Al-Qaeda base of no strategic worth at all.

Out of nowhere? Uh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_St...n_Province

ISIS like to announce a lot of things that they've not done. And given that Al-Qaeda are the favoured jihadist force in Afghanistan (mainly due to the Pakistani spooks, ISI) why would their worst enemies be let in to the country?

I am very much sceptical about any of the information out there about the current "crisis" (frankly the current crowd are a bunch of wasteful amateurs when you compare them with some of the terrorist groups Europe managed to germinate without any outside help). We get a lot of talk about how different groups are entrenching themselves in different areas, but it is never discussed where they got their munitions and funding from (all too often indirectly from the US and UK through the likes of Saudi Arabia and Israel), how people are pushed into them (the masses of airstrikes that hit only innocent civilians get brushed under the carpet with depressing regularity), and how easily that today's allies become tomorrows "worst threat to world peace". Western governments are working in a regional political and cultural situation they don't understand, don't want to learn about and worst of all in which they keep repeating the same mistakes.

(April 14, 2017 at 11:08 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Often the point of a weapon is to break things, rather than kill people. If the latter happens, it's a plus.

Easy to picture many millions of dollars worth of ordnance, stuff that was hauled in there on horseback perhaps, being buried under megatons of rock.

I just had a mental picture of 49ers with pack mules singing the mulsim version of "Oh My Darling". 

Thars munitions in them thar hills!

(April 14, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Edit: @Isis, why put the flag of a racist, genocidal near dictatorship in your signature? It does not put the UK in a good light.

Why do you think? And what exactly do you base that on? I know you're a Palestinian supporter but come on dude, calling it a "racist", "genocidal" and "near dictatorship" is a little over the top.

(April 14, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: ISIS like to announce a lot of things that they've not done. And given that Al-Qaeda are the favoured jihadist force in Afghanistan (mainly due to the Pakistani spooks, ISI) why would their worst enemies be let in to the country?

The conflict between Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State in Afghanistan are well documented, but they are still active (albeit not on the same scale as Syria and Iraq) in the country.

(April 14, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: I am very much sceptical about any of the information out there about the current "crisis" (frankly the current crowd are a bunch of wasteful amateurs when you compare them with some of the terrorist groups Europe managed to germinate without any outside help). We get a lot of talk about how different groups are entrenching themselves in different areas, but it is never discussed where they got their munitions and funding from (all too often indirectly from the US and UK through the likes of Saudi Arabia and Israel), how people are pushed into them (the masses of airstrikes that hit only innocent civilians get brushed under the carpet with depressing regularity), and how easily that today's allies become tomorrows "worst threat to world peace". Western governments are working in a regional political and cultural situation they don't understand, don't want to learn about and worst of all in which they keep repeating the same mistakes.

I would say that a lot of the Islamic terrorist groups get their funding and weapon from the "moderate" rebels, of which our countries fund, supply and train - then it goes right into IS' hands. Of course, you also have countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan who openly fund terrorists which doesn't exactly help matters either.

You say that the West are in a political and cultural situation they don't understand, and while I somewhat agree with you there, what exactly is the answer? If we pulled out of the Middle East completely you would probably criticise the West for not doing enough.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

(April 14, 2017 at 12:38 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 11:08 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Easy to picture many millions of dollars worth of ordnance, stuff that was hauled in there on horseback perhaps, being buried under megatons of rock.

I just had a mental picture of 49ers with pack mules singing the mulsim version of "Oh My Darling". 

Thars munitions in them thar hills!

Beats a nasty, wet tunnel loaded with pungi pits and my fraternal socialist comrades with knives and pistols.

(April 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Often the point of a weapon is to break things, rather than kill people. If the latter happens, it's a plus.

The U.S. was targeting a tunnel complex that was being used by ISIS fighters. I would imagine that a better than 10 ton bomb that leaves a mile wide crater and shoots up a mushroom cloud that can be seen from twenty miles away would have busted up the tunnel complex pretty good. Too bad more ISIS fighters weren't at home when MOAB came knocking. Imagine what it could do in an open field combat situation.

The Pentagon released a video of the MOAB bombing in Afghanistan...

Quote:In the 30-second video, the 21,000-pound bomb – the largest non-nuclear weapon in the U.S. military arsenal – could be seen dropping before it exploded midair. Smoke quickly rose from the impact zone, which officials said was more than a mile wide.

The U.S. military headquarters in Kabul said in a statement that the bomb was dropped at 7:32 p.m. local time Thursday.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/...istan.html

Bashar Assad dropped the MOAB in a false flag action.

Thought everyone had that figured out by now . . . .