(June 8, 2017 at 1:29 am)Jesster Wrote: If you say so. Now I haven't added my point of view at all. Are you interested in that, or have you made up your mind already?

Do so 

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(June 8, 2017 at 1:37 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

(June 8, 2017 at 1:29 am)Jesster Wrote: If you say so. Now I haven't added my point of view at all. Are you interested in that, or have you made up your mind already?

Do so 

I'm listening

Wonderful. Now I know you already said that you realized you may be assuming too much about why others would own something like a dream catcher. I still think you are looking at the reasons in too much of a black and white way. "Because it looks cool" is a beauty assessment, which is an aspect of art. As an artist myself, I see art as something to be shared both within and between cultures. Imitation is also the greatest form of flattery, and that works as long as credit is given to the source of the inspiration. Unless I am ripping off art and calling it my own, why would this ever be a problem? As others have said, nobody is burning or disgracing these cultural pieces in any of these cases.

(June 8, 2017 at 1:53 am)Jesster Wrote:

(June 8, 2017 at 1:37 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Do so 

I'm listening

Wonderful. Now I know you already said that you realized you may be assuming to much about why others would own something like a dream catcher. I still think you are looking at the reasons in too much of a black and white way. "Because it looks cool" is a beauty assessment, which is an aspect of art. As an artist myself, I see art as something to be shared both within and between cultures. Imitation is also the greatest form of flattery, and that works as long as credit is given to the source of the inspiration. Unless I am ripping off art and calling it my own, why would this ever be a problem? As others have said, nobody is burning or disgracing these cultural pieces in any of these cases.

But that's just the thing it's not just art . To some  non native it may just be art . For my self and my people objects have a deeper meaning a deeper context steeped in history and culture .( like the grave marker i made for my mother when she was taken from us. was it beautiful yes did i make it just to be pretty no ) And robbing it of that or copying it without it in mind . May not burn it but it takes something away from it. Something profound .

Then you aren't seeing what art represents. Art and culture are intertwined. They both contain ideas and experiences that people use to socialize and communicate with each other. One influences the other. You should be proud of the fact that these things are inspiring others. Nobody is offending you. You are finding reasons to be offended.

And if you think that your culture somehow has a more special, deeper meaning and context to it than that of other cultures, then maybe you are just undervaluing what others bring to the table.

(June 8, 2017 at 2:20 am)Jesster Wrote: Then you aren't seeing what art represents. Art and culture are intertwined. They both contain ideas and experiences that people use to socialize and communicate with each other. One influences the other. You should be proud of the fact that these things are inspiring others. Nobody is offending you. You are finding reasons to be offended.

And if you think that your culture somehow has a more special, deeper meaning and context to it than that of other cultures, then maybe you are just undervaluing what others bring to the table.

Yes I do get what art is .And as I have said before to those who appreciate and understand the culture etc  (like all the non natives who live in my town ) it's fine. But as I  have said if neither are present then yes I take offense. Some things are not meant to be decorations or flower pots or stuff you put on your ass  to pick up chicks. and that is something I really take offense to.  

I have never said one culture is more special then another in fact the total opposite .Which is why I have called myself horrible for not following this same rule . When acquiring foreign stuff. And why I don't do it anymore .

As I said this is all stuff I have covered already in my posts

Stuff you put on your ass? What are you even talking about anymore? I honestly don't think you are talking about the same concept of art that I am. I swear, the moment you hit a wall in the argument, you start going to extremes I can't even start to understand.

You know what? You keep doing whatever it is you do with your culture and I'll keep appreciating the shared inspirations of art. It's not like your offense actually does anything to anyone else. You enjoy that.

(June 8, 2017 at 2:52 am)Jesster Wrote: Stuff you put on your ass? What are you even talking about anymore? I honestly don't think you are talking about the same concept of art that I am. I swear, the moment you hit a wall in the argument, you start going to extremes I can't even start to understand.

You know what? You keep doing whatever it is you do with your culture and I'll keep appreciating the shared inspirations of art. It's not like your offense actually does anything to anyone else. You enjoy that.

From post #14

" Or (true story ) taking Inuit wedding oaths  and tattooing it on your ass to pick up chicks" Are tattoos not art? You did read that post right where I clearly state the issue .

Where did I hit a brick wall ? I already stated when I think it's okay . And when I think it's not . And when did I say it could not be shared but there is a right way and a wrong way.  Did you even read my last post.

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Oh and as for notion of my offense won't affect anyone maybe not . But a slowly awakening native empowerment among a growing number of native youth will .

Oh, is that all you were talking about? Why should you care what someone tattoos on their ass? Are you that easily triggered? Why should anyone care that you are offended by this?

Besides that point, you're even triggered by someone hanging a dream catcher on their wall. When you cry wolf this often, nobody is going to come when the real wolf shows up.

(June 8, 2017 at 3:22 am)Jesster Wrote: Oh, is that all you were talking about? Why should you care what someone tattoos on their ass? Are you that easily triggered? Why should anyone care that you are offended by this?

Because it's a wedding oath . And it's crude and demeaning to reduce something that powerful to something like that. Seriously does this need to be explained why this is douche

And where did this tattoo touch you?