The simple truth is that the Universe is incomprehensible, maybe infinitely so. There's plenty of room for God, or a billion Gods.

But science isn't so much about what philosophically COULD be as about what is apparently so. It is apparent that there are planets, gravity, QM particles, etc., and not so apparent that there is a creative God.

Are there magical unicorns pulling the strings of our solar system from another dimension? Could be-- but unless there are observations we can make that make the idea of them important to us, there's not much point worrying about them.

Okay, here we go to talk about what is existence from scientists, and I started with a page from the internet hits by Google on "scientists on existence."


But I notice that you all atheists want to talk about God not existing, so we have to bring in God also.

And one of you remembers that I said elsewhere in every page, that God is in concept first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

There, we have three words we want to know the meanings of: existence, scientist, and God.

Is that all right with everyone?


This is an invitation for us all who are keen to know what is existence, what is a scientist, and does God exist, God from my part, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, for us all to collaborate to resolve the meanings of existence, scientist, and God.

From my part, existence is the reality which reality is the object of a living man having awareness, i.e. being conscious of his experiencing the presence of the said object.

An example of existence is our nose.

Another example of existence is the computer monitor screen we are looking at to read this post.

A third example of existence is the rose in our flower garden.

A fourth example of existence is the sun in the day sky and the moon in the night sky.

What do you say, guys here: Do you have your idea of what is existence?

And please give four examples of things with existence.

When we have concurred on what is existence, we will go to what is our idea of a scientist.

And then we will go into working to concur on the idea of God.


Okay, guys here, please proffer now your ideas on what is existence, I have presented mine above.

The answer after much thinking and deliberation is 42.

If you do not understand why this is the case then perhaps you really don't understand the question.

(June 11, 2017 at 4:11 am)Mariosep Wrote: Okay, here we go to talk about what is existence from scientists, and I started with a page from the internet hits by Google on "scientists on existence."


But I notice that you all atheists want to talk about God not existing, so we have to bring in God also.

And one of you remembers that I said elsewhere in every page, that God is in concept first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

There, we have three words we want to know the meanings of: existence, scientist, and God.

Is that all right with everyone?


This is an invitation for us all who are keen to know what is existence, what is a scientist, and does God exist, God from my part, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, for us all to collaborate to resolve the meanings of existence, scientist, and God.

From my part, existence is the reality which reality is the object of a living man having awareness, i.e. being conscious of his experiencing the presence of the said object.

An example of existence is our nose.

Another example of existence is the computer monitor screen we are looking at to read this post.

A third example of existence is the rose in our flower garden.

A fourth example of existence is the sun in the day sky and the moon in the night sky.

What do you say, guys here: Do you have your idea of what is existence?

And please give four examples of things with existence.

When we have concurred on what is existence, we will go to what is our idea of a scientist.

And then we will go into working to concur on the idea of God.


Okay, guys here, please proffer now your ideas on what is existence, I have presented mine above.

Sorry, Socrates, you're going to have to establish some currency around here before you try to lead us around by the nose like this.


You've been answered-- scientists aren't in the business of explaining why things exist rather than not existing, at least not in an ultimate sense.  There are Christian scientists, (many) material monists, spiritualists, and so on.  But they all have one thing in common-- whatever they like  to believe, or whatever they suspect to be true, they limit their professional views to those experiences which are mutual to all humans-- i.e. things we can all apprehend with our senses.

The farthest we've gone so far is back to the Big Bang and down to QM particles; these represent the current limits of our observation, and asking a scientist to speculate beyond that is to ask him not to do science.

Oh shit, you're this Mario.

I'm out. Good luck Mario, you delusional bastard.

Except when the moon is in the day sky. Just sayin...

(June 11, 2017 at 6:04 am)bennyboy Wrote: The farthest we've gone so far is back to the Big Bang and down to QM particles; these represent the current limits of our observation...........

Correct as far as physical science is concern.

Quote:and asking a scientist to speculate beyond that is to ask him not to do science.

Wrong.
Science doesn't have to be only physical science Ben.
We humans are not only made of flesh.
What about mind and consciousness?
As the whole essence of creation is also made of something else other than the physical aspect also science can and will go behind the physical aspect and when she will do this a lot of surprises are there for the ignorant masses.  

Ricky you are an ignorant mass. Go and play in traffic or something.

We have evidence that mariosep's imaginings about god exist. That did not require rocket science.

Dear atheists here, I can accept that as you are card-carrying atheists your ears are super sensitive to any indication in any words on existence what it is, you cannot otherwise than see red flag on God existing.

And that motivates you to conduct yourselves with in effect total evasiveness from doing non-partisan investigation in aid of man's knowledge of reality.

I am a theist from my investigation of reality on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of man's first conscious intelligence.

And in regard to religion I am a Christian, that is my option, I could be a Buddhist though if I were born and brought up in a Buddhist society.

My point is this, let you, Oh ye atheists here, not abandon the search for knowledge because you are card-carrying atheists; for whatever gain you imagine to absorb into your psychology and morality, you lose with being card-carrying atheists from participation in man's destiny to know about reality, i.e. existence.

So, if you are keen on doing investigation based on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of man's conscious reason, please present your concept of what is existence.

Here is again my concept of what is existence, and four examples of existence, attend to the text in bold below.

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Post #12 RE: What do scientists say about existence? 11 hours ago
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Okay, here we go to talk about what is existence from scientists, and I started with a page from the internet hits by Google on "scientists on existence."

But I notice that you all atheists want to talk about God not existing, so we have to bring in God also.

And one of you remembers that I said elsewhere in every page, that God is in concept first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

There, we have three words we want to know the meanings of: existence, scientist, and God.

Is that all right with everyone?

This is an invitation for us all who are keen to know what is existence, what is a scientist, and does God exist, God from my part, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, for us all to collaborate to resolve the meanings of existence, scientist, and God.

From my part, existence is the reality which reality is the object of a living man having awareness, i.e. being conscious of his experiencing the presence of the said object.

An example of existence is our nose.

Another example of existence is the computer monitor screen we are looking at to read this post.

A third example of existence is the rose in our flower garden.

A fourth example of existence is the sun in the day sky and the moon in the night sky.

What do you say, guys here: Do you have your idea of what is existence?

And please give four examples of things with existence.

When we have concurred on what is existence, we will go to what is our idea of a scientist.

And then we will go into working to concur on the idea of God.

Okay, guys here, please proffer now your ideas on what is existence, I have presented mine above.