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(June 19, 2017 at 1:38 pm)TheSaddestOfSouls Wrote: That's great. You don't believe that you came from something.

Not knowing something doesn't mean one should fill the gap with make-believe. Maybe we did come from something, maybe we didn't... that doesn't change the fact that we know nothing about the "before" of big bang, and it also doesn't change the fact that currently science is the best tool we have to figure things out.

(June 19, 2017 at 1:38 pm)TheSaddestOfSouls Wrote: That's great. You don't believe that you came from something. To exist even in the idea of an infinite space with a big bang being a point of creation. Came from somebody or something.

You appear to be out of date with current scientific thinking but let me say that there is zero chance that the universe came about from something sentient

Quote: That is so stupid to even argue that point.

So explain to me how the universe began. I want supporting peer reviewed evidence which tells in detail:
1: how space was formed.
2:How time was formed
3: Where the material came from.
etc etc

Quote:Atheism as it can be seen is belief is nothing and that is what it's being compared to, you don't believe anything. Ok, how did that one point of where you came from expand ever? Actions = reactions and so on and so forth in anything and everything even your little thoughts that you hold onto so tight.[/quote}

Theism is just forcing gods into ignorance, you don't know therefore god. That's all you have.

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Science is absolute based on facts once you actually removed the fat of the situation anyways. That is what i was taught by my science teachers through school. Different teachers i guess? That's is how i used and view it today. It is absolute once you removed what is a lie actually. Wouldn't you thinks anyways?

Science is never absolute it is always a work in progress and open to refinement. You were taught wrong.

Quote:What do you think i'm trying to do here? Make you believe God? Fuck you. That guys a tool. Satan or Lucifer just a tool.

Belief is not a choice. you either believe or you don't and to me the idea of a god is laughably stupid and infantile.

Quote:I don't even know how to define myself as in belief anymore.

You believe in nothing, okay. But words still exist. Great. What is a soul to you then? It is something?

A soul is an idea used in fiction like ghosts and vampires.

Like everyone else, I believe in lots of things. It so happens that a god isn't among them. Since that is the primary defining characteristic of an atheist, that is how I self-identify.

I have not the slightest idea what you would do.

How do i tell somebody something that they've never herd for what it was, i'm sure you haven't but when you think of nothing in the first place and really only of yourself as you are floating through all that space and then with millions of these beliefs in religion and spirituality and then atheism sitting on the very top of all that.

Do you actually even understand the progression the belief systems as they can be known today? Atheism to religion to spirituality? There is so much built on all these ideas but what if these ideas were told to you were never anything that you could trust? Who's fault is that in the end? I'm curious. It's not yours or even mind.

Today's age, with all these choices. There is so many but even then nobody even talks about belief and if they do. It's usually religion at church with somebody you go there with who isn't ever challenging these thoughts or really just people that just agree with you.

In this progression of what everybody just thinks they understand so well to a point of ignorance really, all these ideas that are still really just floating up in the clouds or in heaven, good representation for this since it was never real. These ideas still never were made in this reality that you and i can understand and make sense of being constructed a point of truth and built up from there.

Atheism = No worship at all. No community. No discussion ever beyond individual research really giving you the biggest asshole ego ever.
Religion = Worship in a church with prayer to a god. Local community. Discussion usually always within that local community.
Spirituality = Worship is in yourself and your fellow human, also were you live, your mother earth and the sun. Very large community if you looked into these things. Could discuss and work things out as a collective, together as one and not that retarded individual ego that you are today.

In spirituality though and in new age spirituality as anybody can see it today being smeared all over the place, i can't tell you fully how this stuff works. I have this atheist friend who doesn't even consider this pendulum that i have right here, being manipulated by something of energy when you use it but in such a random way and you can ask questions and stuff, i can't change what is and i've had an open mind my whole life but to this guy, this doesn't exist.

If you have that mindset, which is horrible by the way. I can't help you.

What is supernatural to you? As a word. Really look at the word though because it's interesting. All these things pilled up on this one term, it's amazing. An amazing amount of words just used in this one idea.

Also with any of this in mind, i can't make you research your damn self ever as much as you may want to argue with me, i'm coming to you after so much research, more than 15 years of my understandings, so to you to even expect anything i understand in just a instant, as much as instant gratification is a thing these days.

I never could change how things works in life. Especially your squirrel like minds.

Rik? Is that you?

(June 19, 2017 at 2:22 pm)TheSaddestOfSouls Wrote: How do i tell somebody something that they've never herd for what it was, i'm sure you haven't but when you think of nothing in the first place and really only of yourself as you are floating through all that space and then with millions of these beliefs in religion and spirituality and then atheism sitting on the very top of all that.

Do you actually even understand the progression the belief systems as they can be known today? Atheism to religion to spirituality? There is so much built on all these ideas but what if these ideas were told to you were never anything that you could trust? Who's fault is that in the end? I'm curious. It's not yours or even mind.

Today's age, with all these choices. There is so many but even then nobody even talks about belief and if they do. It's usually religion at church with somebody you go there with who isn't ever challenging these thoughts or really just people that just agree with you.

In this progression of what everybody just thinks they understand so well to a point of ignorance really, all these ideas that are still really just floating up in the clouds or in heaven, good representation for this since it was never real. These ideas still never were made in this reality that you and i can understand and make sense of being constructed a point of truth and built up from there.

Atheism = No worship at all. No community. No discussion ever beyond individual research really giving you the biggest asshole ego ever.
Religion = Worship in a church with prayer to a god. Local community. Discussion usually always within that local community.
Spirituality = Worship is in yourself and your fellow human, also were you live, your mother earth and the sun. Very large community if you looked into these things. Could discuss and work things out as a collective, together as one and not that retarded individual ego that you are today.

In spirituality though and in new age spirituality as anybody can see it today being smeared all over the place, i can't tell you fully how this stuff works. I have this atheist friend who doesn't even consider this pendulum that i have right here, being manipulated by something of energy when you use it but in such a random way and you can ask questions and stuff, i can't change what is and i've had an open mind my whole life but to this guy, this doesn't exist.

If you have that mindset, which is horrible by the way. I can't help you.

What is supernatural to you? As a word. Really look at the word though because it's interesting. All these things pilled up on this one term, it's amazing. An amazing amount of words just used in this one idea.

Also with any of this in mind, i can't make you research your damn self ever as much as you may want to argue with me, i'm coming to you after so much research, more than 15 years of my understandings, so to you to even expect anything i understand in just a instant, as much as instant gratification is a thing these days.

I never could change how things works in life. Especially your squirrel like minds.

If English is not your first language then perhaps try to understand that your not making much sense. If your a native English speaker then ......

(June 19, 2017 at 2:25 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Rik?  Is that you?

I thought I smelled a sock as well.

No. Something always came from something.

People are confused, you think you are that creative. You are this crazy imaginative human being. No. You never were.

Just like this who idea that can't change by the way of building from the ground up from a point and always true and then action equals reaction. You build from what you can see. Something always came from something. Can't change that but that idea always came from somewhere.
 
Vampires = the royal family who openly just drink kids blood. That is were this idea came from.
Spirits exist as ghost sorry? Hundreds of thousands accounts must be lieing because that's what the magic box told you.

Like really, go find that is so creative that didn't come from some kind of idea already. If the story of these gods even exist, like the bible. The human didn't even start that.

Research and testing and putting things together and work has progressed with items and whatever what was created but still humans were never that imaginative.

Really look up the inspiration for like Shrek. It was a man.

Or like when Disney pushed a bunch lemming off a cliff in a documentary, trying to prove that if one did something the rest will follow. Hence the game but and as fucked as it was. That's where idea came from.

Werewolf, just go look at Kangaroo. Pretty comparable.

Seriously, not that creative, us humans. If you think you are. Great for you, you got yourself fooled.

The results are in, folks. Kangaroos = werewolves.