(July 23, 2011 at 5:18 pm)Sciwoman Wrote:

(July 23, 2011 at 3:49 pm)GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince Wrote: IM TRYING TOO! Thats what the video is! The questions you ask and state are so vast require much information. It's not like i can just present it all in one sentence!

So your 'evidence' consists of a video that you can't even put into your own words. You can't come up with even one sentence of your own. What does that say about your own knowledge?

There are quite a few atheists who used to be christians - we've heard all the 'proofs' and found them lacking. It is time to state your case in your own words and quit relying on others to make it for you. Arguments from authority do not work around here.

You give the poster (who in his own nickname uses the word "since" when he means "sense") of the video credibility his post does not deserve? Who says the person who made the video is an authority on anything?
James.

(July 23, 2011 at 6:25 pm)Anymouse Wrote:

(July 23, 2011 at 5:18 pm)Sciwoman Wrote:

(July 23, 2011 at 3:49 pm)GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince Wrote: IM TRYING TOO! Thats what the video is! The questions you ask and state are so vast require much information. It's not like i can just present it all in one sentence!

So your 'evidence' consists of a video that you can't even put into your own words. You can't come up with even one sentence of your own. What does that say about your own knowledge?

There are quite a few atheists who used to be christians - we've heard all the 'proofs' and found them lacking. It is time to state your case in your own words and quit relying on others to make it for you. Arguments from authority do not work around here.

You give the poster (who in his own nickname uses the word "since" when he means "sense") of the video credibility his post does not deserve? Who says the person who made the video is an authority on anything?
James.

You have a point. However, it does appear that the OP thinks the person who made the video is an authority. Whether that person actually is, well that's another story.

Questions: Why is that girornms dickhead still here,and why are people feeding him? --He IS preaching and HAS hurled a few ad hominems,although he seems to lack the intellect/education to understand what that means and is too bloody minded to learn.



What a fucking waste of irreplaceable time

Thought for the day

Quote:Simple ignorance is not a crime,nor is willful ignorance, although perhaps it should be (TS Shagnasty)

Quote:Oh what a surprise yet another person just insulting me and avoiding discussing what was actually said

You have nothing worth discussing. You are yet one more shithead, in a long string of shitheads, who show up here with the same old line of shit. Do you really think that you are the first to come up with this insanity?

Get real. You are a late bloomer, at best. At least try to be original.

(July 23, 2011 at 1:18 am)GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince Wrote: I know very much about Atheism. Believe me. I'm the biggest science dork on this sorta stuff. Not saying this makes me know all about it or that i learned all stuff from this but i spend like hours a day watching the discovery channel and science channel and listen to everything on it. I'm not just spewing this stuff out my butt. I'm different than probably th other radicals that come on here. I'm not just spewing crap and then leaving. Im trying to have an intellectual debate.

You'll have to excuse me a moment while I go and be blown away by that list of credentials.

Quote:I know very much about Atheism. Believe me. I'm the biggest science dork on this sorta stuff.

Have you any notion what science actually is?

Quote:Not saying this makes me know all about it or that i learned all stuff from this but i spend like hours a day watching the discovery channel and science channel and listen to everything on it.

This should appear in English textbooks with 'How not to do it' written alongside. "Or that i learned all stuff", honestly. You spend "like hours a day" watching discovery? How many hours is 'like hours'?

Quote:I'm not just spewing this stuff out my butt.

I should hope your not spewing anything from your butt.

Quote:Im trying to have an intellectual debate.

You're failing.

You need to realise discovery don't award degrees, you don't get kudos for watching nature programs. Telling us creation is evidence of god, when your knowledge of nature is based on watching tv is laughable. Don't be upset when we laugh, you have it coming. Not being able to make sense of the world without god I think is a fair enough reflection of your intelligence. That said, I'll be surprised if you've tried.

Still, credit where credit's due, this is hilarious!

Why hasn't someone brought the banhammer down on this cunt?

(July 23, 2011 at 7:08 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Why hasn't someone brought the banhammer down on this cunt?

Can you be banned for being stupid?

(July 23, 2011 at 7:18 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Can you be banned for being stupid?

Fucking should be.

(July 23, 2011 at 3:47 pm)GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince Wrote: Its a very broad subject. If what I proposed is true then in has huge connotations and is worth an hour of your time. Same goes to everyone else. Please actually watch the video before you criticize it. It's worth your time. Trust me.

Summarize the main points in 4 or 5 sentences, and if it seems like there may be something new in it, I'll take one for the team and watch it. Seriously. Otherwise, I'm not interested in watching it based on the request of some random theist.

(July 23, 2011 at 12:47 am)GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince Wrote:

Atheism: The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Makes perfect since.

A few points of contention:

1) Atheism is the lack of belief (or disbelief) in gods. It has nothing to do with the Big Bang, "creation" of the universe, atoms rearranging, life emerging, or evolution of dinosaurs. There is no atheist dogma that we all have to believe this, and I can name a few atheists who don't believe all of this at all.

2) That said, I do believe the Big Bang is the best explanation of the facts, because simple observation will lead to it as the conclusion. We know the universe is expanding; we know it is expanding at an accelerated rate; and we know that if we reverse the clock 13.7 billion years, we can calculate the exact moment everything started to expand. Yes, I said it..."everything". Not nothing. The only "nothing" that ever was in the Big Bang was space and time. The Big Bang is the expansion (not "explosion") of space and time, which at the point of the Big Bang were great big cosmic nothings. There was no space, there was no time. There was only an infinitely small (and therefore spaceless), timeless point which contained all matter and energy.

3) Who said there was "no reason" for the Big Bang? I'm sure there is a very good reason why it happened; many think it was a quantum fluctuation; some religious people who accept the science call the reason "God", and I don't have any beef with them. As far as I am concerned, you can place God in as many aspect of the universe as you like, as long as you accept the validity of the science which attempts to explain things naturally. Pantheists I get along with very well, same with Deists. Theists who always attempt to force God into the picture, pushing out perfectly valid science as they go along, will always be frowned upon in my book.

4) There is nothing magical about particles rearranging; they do it all the time, and there are many many reasons why they do it. The laws of physics practically explain why it is that particles move, and they've been explaining why for hundreds and hundreds of years. There is no great big mystery to why particles move or cells self-replicate; the only real mystery is how everything got started (abiogenesis, etc).

5) ...and finally, to sum up evolution as "which then turned into dinosaurs" shows a complete lack of scientific understanding which I can't hope to correct here. Do yourself a favour, and instead of trying to win converts at atheist forums by posting quotes that will just get you laughed at, why not better spend your time trying to understand why we think the way we do; why we believe such things as the Big Bang, or evolution, or abiogenesis. Do some actual reading of your own; stop listening to what preachers tell you you should think, and start reading what science can demonstrate to be real. Science won't ever tell you "this is true, you must believe this"; it will show you the facts, and it will give you an explanation (or many) that attempt to explain those facts. You don't have to believe the explanation; that's up to you, but if it fits the observable facts, why (other than being motivated by religious intent) would you choose not to.