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Like I said before I'm sorry if I'm missing seeing peoples posts, but I can't get used to AF's cluttered forum layout (especially the multi-quote thing) and I often lose track of who said what.
What exactly are the "iffy" things Jesus said that you're having trouble with?

"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37"

Maybe atheist forums needs to set a deadline, and if we don't see a True Believer (of any faith) by then, we just declare victory and close up shop.

From God's perspective, there is no difference between a world filled with atheists and a world filled with apostates, heretics and blasphemers.


A world bereft of True Believers has no need for Atheists.

(July 25, 2017 at 11:19 pm)Astonished Wrote: Fuck, you're irksome. He's saving us from HIMSELF, which is no different than him tying us up, threatening to torture us, and then expecting a thank-you and kiss on his feet after he unties us and lets us walk out the door. FUCK THAT GUY and fuck you for thinking he's anything less than a psychotic sadist.

Look at it another way mate, we're all PRODUCTS OF THE UNIVERSE whether we're religious or atheist, and as there's a perfect harmony throughout the universe, it follows that the universe wants us to be in harmony with itself, so Jesus arrived to help us tune into that harmony.
If people die without ever achieving that harmony, it follows that the universe will spit them out.
This verse indicates we should therefore try to get the right mindset-
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things" (Philp 4:8)

In other words, we should be ultra-kool like JC..-

(July 25, 2017 at 1:14 pm)Dropship Wrote: he's basically like a really bad villain in one of my books, movies or video games; I hate the character but I know he never existed.

(July 25, 2017 at 9:22 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Other than the fact that no one knows what he said or did, or if he actually existed as portrayed, not much.

Even jews and muslims admit Jesus existed..

There's a difference between admitting and believing.

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(July 26, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Dropship Wrote:

(July 25, 2017 at 11:19 pm)Astonished Wrote: Fuck, you're irksome. He's saving us from HIMSELF, which is no different than him tying us up, threatening to torture us, and then expecting a thank-you and kiss on his feet after he unties us and lets us walk out the door. FUCK THAT GUY and fuck you for thinking he's anything less than a psychotic sadist.

Look at it another way mate, we're all PRODUCTS OF THE UNIVERSE whether we're religious or atheist, and as there's a perfect harmony throughout the universe, it follows that the universe wants us to be in harmony with itself, so Jesus arrived to help us tune into that harmony.
If people die without ever achieving that harmony, it follows that the universe will spit them out.
This verse indicates we should therefore try to get the right mindset-
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things" (Philp 4:8)

In other words, we should be ultra-kool like JC..-

Jesus wants to tune us in to the harmony?!  What a goofball.

You know what would be a whole bunch of fun?  Trap GC, DropShip, Drich, JBrentonK and Little Rik in an escape room together and record the interaction.

(July 26, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Succubus Wrote:

Quote:Dropship
Like I said before I'm sorry if I'm missing seeing peoples posts, but I can't get used to AF's cluttered forum layout (especially the multi-quote thing) and I often lose track of who said what.
What exactly are the "iffy" things Jesus said that you're having trouble with?

"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37"

So what? JC knew there'd be ructions within a family if one of its members decided to follow him instead of the old traditional religion, so that verse is just to let them know he's got their backs, and they quickly realised-
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Rom 12:2)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Eph 2:1/2)

Same when I'm leading my human squad in the Armed Assault 3 computer game (below), I tell them "Forget all you've heard before and just stick with me if you want to live"..-

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(July 26, 2017 at 1:50 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Maybe atheist forums needs to set a deadline, and if we don't see a True Believer (of any faith) by then, we just declare victory and close up shop.
From God's perspective, there is no difference between a world filled with atheists and a world filled with apostates, heretics and blasphemers.  
A world bereft of True Believers has no need for Atheists.

Not sure I understand mate. What is a "True Believer"?
Remember, a lot of 'christians' think they're true believers, but have got a nasty shock coming-
Jesus said- "Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

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(July 26, 2017 at 2:01 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

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Jesus wants to tune us in to the harmony?!  What a goofball.

Better to be kool and tune into 'The Force' rather than be jumpy and irritable..

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(July 26, 2017 at 2:13 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: You know what would be a whole bunch of fun?  Trap GC, DropShip, Drich, JBrentonK and Little Rik in an escape room together and record the interaction.

Sounds fun, there'd certainly be fireworks if they're fundies and I set them straight..
Where do they hang?

Dropship Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:I already gave you a list of iffy 'Jesus quotes'...that you did not respond to. Why do you ask questions you've already gotten an answer on?

Like I said before I'm sorry if I'm missing seeing peoples posts, but I can't get used to AF's cluttered forum layout (especially the multi-quote thing) and I often lose track of who said what.
Also, people tend to fire big blunderbusses of different points at me all at once which would take forever to answer, which is why I prefer short sharp punchy posts containing just one or two specific points.
What exactly are the "iffy" things Jesus said that you're having trouble with?

See post #47 on page 5 of this thread.

(July 26, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Dropship Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Succubus Wrote: "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37"

So what? JC knew there'd be ructions within a family if one of its members decided to follow him instead of the old traditional religion, so that verse is just to let them know he's got their backs, and they quickly realised-
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Rom 12:2)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Eph 2:1/2)

Same when I'm leading my human squad in the Armed Assault 3 computer game (below), I tell them "Forget all you've heard before and just stick with me if you want to live"..-

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(July 26, 2017 at 1:50 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Maybe atheist forums needs to set a deadline, and if we don't see a True Believer (of any faith) by then, we just declare victory and close up shop.
From God's perspective, there is no difference between a world filled with atheists and a world filled with apostates, heretics and blasphemers.  
A world bereft of True Believers has no need for Atheists.

Not sure I understand mate. What is a "True Believer"?
Remember, a lot of 'christians' think they're true believers, but have got a nasty shock coming-
Jesus said- "Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

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(July 26, 2017 at 2:01 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

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Jesus wants to tune us in to the harmony?!  What a goofball.

Better to be kool and tune into 'The Force' rather than be jumpy and irritable..

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(July 26, 2017 at 2:13 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: You know what would be a whole bunch of fun?  Trap GC, DropShip, Drich, JBrentonK and Little Rik in an escape room together and record the interaction.

Sounds fun, there'd certainly be fireworks if they're fundies and I set them straight..
Where do they hang?

Uh, here's a fucking thought, how about Jeebus be a more upstanding person and go jump up his own ass instead of threatening to tear families apart if one of their members happens to be stupid enough to buy into his bullshit? Don't put the offer to lead them away from the people they love and are responsible for in the fucking first place, makes a lot more fucking sense. But not to someone like you, Droppin' Loads. And you wonder why people are calling you names.

(July 26, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Dropship Wrote: So what? JC knew there'd be ructions within a family if one of its members decided to follow him instead of the old traditional religion, so that verse is just to let them know he's got their backs, and they quickly realised-
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Rom 12:2)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Eph 2:1/2)

Same when I'm leading my human squad in the Armed Assault 3 computer game (below), I tell them "Forget all you've heard before and just stick with me if you want to live"..-

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Not sure I understand mate. What is a "True Believer"?
Remember, a lot of 'christians' think they're true believers, but have got a nasty shock coming-
Jesus said- "Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

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Better to be kool and tune into 'The Force' rather than be jumpy and irritable..

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Sounds fun, there'd certainly be fireworks if they're fundies and I set them straight..
Where do they hang?

Uh, here's a fucking thought, how about Jeebus be a more upstanding person and go jump up his own ass instead of threatening to tear families apart if one of their members happens to be stupid enough to buy into his bullshit? Don't put the offer to lead them away from the people they love and are responsible for in the fucking first place, makes a lot more fucking sense. But not to someone like you, Droppin' Loads. And you wonder why people are calling you names.

Well it is a cult. Guess who Jesus is in N Korea??

(July 26, 2017 at 3:33 pm)JackRussell Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Astonished Wrote: Uh, here's a fucking thought, how about Jeebus be a more upstanding person and go jump up his own ass instead of threatening to tear families apart if one of their members happens to be stupid enough to buy into his bullshit? Don't put the offer to lead them away from the people they love and are responsible for in the fucking first place, makes a lot more fucking sense. But not to someone like you, Droppin' Loads. And you wonder why people are calling you names.

Well it is a cult. Guess who Jesus is in N Korea??

The guy who invented the Hyundai? Or is that South Korea?