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Testimony is Evidence
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 Quote:They're kind of one in the same there buddy. No. They are not. To wit: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/missouri...-williams/ Quote:Missouri Governor Eric Greitens halted the execution of a man scheduled to be put to death on Tuesday for killing of a woman during a robbery after his attorneys argued that recent DNA evidence shows he is innocent. They must have had some "evidence" at the trial but obviously they did not have the Big Gun. Not all evidence is created equal. 
I'm just going based on the dictionary term for both works. One means the other.
 RE: Testimony is Evidence
August 22, 2017 at 4:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2017 at 4:49 pm by SteveII.)
(August 22, 2017 at 3:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: All that people telling stories helps us to establish is that people tell stories. Nothing within those stories is capable of certifying or establishing the accuracy of their contents. [1] Even by your own description of evidence, Steve, testimony doesn't count. 1. Your characterization is the least possible value of a testimony when that is not how the world actually works. Words are not capable of conveying truth value in isolation, so the witness and the context provide tangible and necessary inputs in determining the weight of testimonial evidence toward a conclusion. 2. Your testimony tells us something. At the very least, you tell stories. But we do end up with a reason to believe you had a nice lunch (where we did not prior to your testimony). Further, from the content/context, we can ascertain that you probably don't have a good reason to lie, so the truth of the matter is moved further down the proof continuum. Will only your word for the contents of your lunch ever be "beyond a reasonable doubt"? No. For that, you might drag in the clerk who sold you the ingredients and a neighbor who saw you through the window cooking it, or the UPS driver who saw you come to the door with half in your hand. Even after these other testimonies, will it be absolute proof of the truth of your claim? No. Every one could have been mistaken or deceived. (August 22, 2017 at 3:56 pm)Court Jester Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 3:01 pm)SteveII Wrote: You are confusing the word evidence with the word proof. No, they are not. That's why we have two different words and they should be used correctly. My post compared the two words. Your pasting from the internet dictionary does not.  (August 22, 2017 at 3:10 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:(August 21, 2017 at 9:10 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I am an idiot, and don't understand the difference between evidence and assertion. Please don't put your words as a quote with my name on it.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther  RE: Testimony is Evidence
August 22, 2017 at 5:07 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2017 at 5:15 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(August 22, 2017 at 3:56 pm)Court Jester Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 3:01 pm)SteveII Wrote: You are confusing the word evidence with the word proof. Tend to do and actually having done may be one IN the same, but like studying enough to get a F and studying enough to get an A, they are not one AND the same, although I can see how confusing F with A in your youth could have resulted in your being such as you are today. 
Testimony is evidence, there's a name for it and it's anecdotal evidence.
There's some situations in which using the word evidence to describe testimony would be flawed, and using testimony as evidence would be flawed. In the context of science anecdotal evidence amounts to nothing. If you say you have evidence in the context of science you can't then say that the scientific evidence you're providing is that someone else told you something is true. In the context of law it's evidence, it's better evidence if it's independent witnesses but the best evidence isn't anecdotal it's based on facts rather than heresay. CCTV footage, audio recording, DNA, fingerprints, all examples of evidence that's more reliable than witness testimony. Looking at the pure definitions is actually kind of complicated because if you search for the definition of evidence you could argue that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence I suppose. But if you look at the definition of anecdotal evidence it's evidence based on anecdotes. To me it just seems like word play, maybe everyone is right and everyone in this thread is a winner. Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them. Impersonation is treason.  (August 21, 2017 at 9:18 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(August 21, 2017 at 9:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I saw an invisible dragon in my garage today when I got home. Heleeeer Suzie! ... can I see your dragon?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
(August 22, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 5:35 pm)Alex K Wrote: Heleeeer Suzie! Did you see the dragonballs? I have it on good authority they grant wishes.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
--- There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.  (August 22, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 5:35 pm)Alex K Wrote: Heleeeer Suzie! Here I just call it "vodka". Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" |
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