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"Is it a phase?"
#81
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:49 am)NickPercent Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:48 am)Astonished Wrote: I'm just pissed he's (now confirmed to be intentionally) misrepresenting lack of faith and equating it with faith. Atheism is not a religious worldview. If religion didn't exist, atheism would be the default and have nothing to do with a religious worldview and no religious person could dispute that. That religion just does happen to exist doesn't change this but they like to make it sound like it does because it makes them think they sound less preposterous.

To me at least, i think that religion is a person's view on God. Atheists don't belive in god, that is their view.

Why do you pretend to get this and he doesn't? You just reversed the Abbot and Costello dynamic you two had.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
#82
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:48 am)Khemikal Wrote: Okay, another piece of advice for future endeavors..

You have to dole it out like feed to pigs.  You can't blow the mcarthyist load at the first provocation.  The difference between a good troll and an incompetent troll is discipline.

The FIRST provocation? We have pages of y'all accusing us of being trolls, when there isn't evidence!
#83
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:50 am)Astonished Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:48 am)Khemikal Wrote: Okay, another piece of advice for future endeavors..

You have to dole it out like feed to pigs.  You can't blow the mcarthyist load at the first provocation.

A page and a half of someone playing dumb when it was clearly explained how they fucked up isn't a good enough indicator? I can usually spot them within a post or two, this was evidence overkill.

Fucked what up?

#84
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:49 am)ScienceAf Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:48 am)Astonished Wrote: I'm just pissed he's (now confirmed to be intentionally) misrepresenting lack of faith and equating it with faith. Atheism is not a religious worldview. If religion didn't exist, atheism would be the default and have nothing to do with a religious worldview and no religious person could dispute that. That religion just does happen to exist doesn't change this but they like to make it sound like it does because it makes them think they sound less preposterous.

Yes, I understand, but you wouldnt call it athiesm then if everyone was athiest then, would you? No, but it exists, because religon exists, it is the lack of belief in a religon, a religous view while not a religon

SAF used to explain to people precisely how ignorant these sorts of comments were.  Too bad he's not here anymore.

/shrugs

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#85
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:51 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:49 am)ScienceAf Wrote: Yes, I understand, but you wouldnt call it athiesm then if everyone was athiest then, would you? No, but it exists, because religon exists, it is the lack of belief in a religon, a religous view while not a religon

SAF used to explain to people precisely how ignorant these sorts of comments were.  Too bad he's not here anymore.

/shrugs

I've never said atheism wasnt a religous view,

#86
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:50 am)Astonished Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:49 am)NickPercent Wrote: To me at least, i think that religion is a person's view on God. Atheists don't belive in god, that is their view.

Why do you pretend to get this and he doesn't? You just reversed the Abbot and Costello dynamic you two had.

Because we are 2 different people, i spend more time researching religion, and he spends more time on science
#87
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:51 am)ScienceAf Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:50 am)Astonished Wrote: A page and a half of someone playing dumb when it was clearly explained how they fucked up isn't a good enough indicator? I can usually spot them within a post or two, this was evidence overkill.

Fucked what up?

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Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
#88
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:47 am)NickPercent Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:45 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: SAF,

I 100% want you to feel free to discuss what you want here, but help me out here. What do you hope to accomplish with these threads? Seriously. Is it just a declaration of where you stand?

Everone, isn't there a peaceful way of discussing our points without McCarthyistic accusations of trolls? What is the point in a flame war?

If you'll notice, I haven't called anyone a troll.

I have interacted with ScienceAF in the past, and because of that interaction, I think he's a smart kid who is figuring shit out.

It's just that this is a discussion forum. Declarations don't do much to foster discussion. So I asked what he expects out of this. He's been gone a while, most people don't remember him. So this abrupt resumption of his posting just looks odd.
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#89
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:52 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:47 am)NickPercent Wrote: Everone, isn't there a peaceful way of discussing our points without McCarthyistic accusations of trolls? What is the point in a flame war?

If you'll notice, I haven't called anyone a troll.

I have interacted with ScienceAF in the past, and because of that interaction, I think he's a smart kid who is figuring shit out.

It's just that this is a discussion forum. Declarations don't do much to foster discussion. So I asked what he expects out of this. He's been gone a while, most people don't remember him. So this abrupt resumption of his posting just looks odd.
I know you didn't say we are trolls, i was just saying that to everyone, and i figured i would just respond to that, because i happened to be looking at it
#90
RE: "Is it a phase?"
(August 23, 2017 at 12:52 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(August 23, 2017 at 12:47 am)NickPercent Wrote: Everone, isn't there a peaceful way of discussing our points without McCarthyistic accusations of trolls? What is the point in a flame war?

If you'll notice, I haven't called anyone a troll.

I have interacted with ScienceAF in the past, and because of that interaction, I think he's a smart kid who is figuring shit out.

It's just that this is a discussion forum. Declarations don't do much to foster discussion. So I asked what he expects out of this. He's been gone a while, most people don't remember him. So this abrupt resumption of his posting just looks odd.

I mean, of course people dont remember me, but it's nothing bad or harmful or exploitve i did, i just wanted to see how people would react, and it seems people are going to accuse me of trolling,

I also wanted to clarify things






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