(September 25, 2017 at 5:33 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Because pets are property and it's legal... a persons should have the right to decide what to do with their property correct?

By all means, become capable of carrying a fetus in your stomach and then come to me with legality issues.

Simply resorting to illogical puppy arguments is not doing your intellect any justice.

And, of course, a person's body isn't property....

(September 25, 2017 at 5:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 5:40 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I would be disappointed to hear it.  But, for sure, we have way too many puppies and kitties born every year in this country - more than it is possible to properly match to homes.  I wouldn't find it anything to celebrate but neither would I be against it.  It would just be sad.

Are you a politician?

I am.

(September 25, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: But, fetuses aren't puppies right?

Unless they're dog fetuses, of course (and only after they're born).

The primary difference between an early-term fetus and an already-born mammal is that fetuses cannot feel any pain until the nervous system is sufficiently developed.  Thus, access to first-trimester abortion should be unlimited to remove the fetus while it is still insensible and to minimize the physical and hormonal changes to a woman's body.

Generally late-term abortion only occurs when a woman is willingly pregnant but something has gone terribly wrong, such as the fetus dying in utero.

(September 25, 2017 at 5:54 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 5:33 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: By all means, become capable of carrying a fetus in your stomach and then come to me with legality issues.

Simply resorting to illogical puppy arguments is not doing your intellect any justice.

And, of course, a person's body isn't property....

So it's your position that a person doesn't own their body?

(September 25, 2017 at 6:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 5:54 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: And, of course, a person's body isn't property....

So it's your position that a person doesn't own their body?

It's my position that a person is their body. One can not be separate from it.

Also, we, as a society, have decided that people aren't actually property, to do with as we please. As a person of color, you should be well aware of this.

Preemptive "But what of prostitution?" Prostitution is a service. I can burn my clothes, smash my TV, sell my games. Can't do that with people, even if I hire them.

(September 25, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 5:03 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If they had a prized, purebred show dog, or breeding dog, and found out some mutt had gotten in and banged her up, and they decided to abort those fetuses, I'd be cool with that.

But, fetuses aren't puppies right?

Besides, that's a convoluted answer, it's almost lowkey racist...

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(September 25, 2017 at 5:21 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: You didn't answer my question in relation to the doggy scenario.

Outside.

No. I normally don't like the idea of killing babies, or puppies, and on the subject of abortion, the thing being aborted is a zygote, gamete, fetus, or pretty much any stage earlier than actually being a baby.

Other unensouled items:

fingernail clippings

hair

BM

urine

menstrual flow

severed limbs

sloughed skin cells

toe jam

perspiration

lost teeth

saliva

boogers

eye grunge

ear wax

scabs

sebum

pus

amniotic fluid

pubic lice

chancres

dandruff

bile

vomit

phlegm

tears

loogies

smegma

placenta

Quote:But, fetuses aren't puppies right?

But puppies don't grow up to be creatards.

(September 25, 2017 at 7:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:But, fetuses aren't puppies right?

But puppies don't grow up to be creatards.

Ah, so your in favor of killing those you deem creatards. Gotcha!

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(September 25, 2017 at 6:32 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 6:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So it's your position that a person doesn't own their body?

It's my position that a person is their body.  One can not be separate from it.

Then you define a fetus as a person.

(September 25, 2017 at 7:20 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 7:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: But puppies don't grow up to be creatards.

Ah, so your in favor of killing those you deem creatards. Gotcha!

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(September 25, 2017 at 6:32 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: It's my position that a person is their body.  One can not be separate from it.

Then you define a fetus as a person.

No I don’t.

A fetus isn’t a person. It’s something that grows within a person, but isn’t a person. A tumor grows within a person, but isn’t a person. My intestines are a part of me, but aren’t a person.

This shit isn’t hard, Huggy.