Newsflash - the world doesn't revolve around you. Other people have needs and opinions that don't mesh with yours. Get over it.

Seems like everything being said about this woo crap is completely and utterly extraneous, irrelevant and unrelated to whatever it's being proposed that it's related to. None of this hippy-dippy garbage is vital or even logically connected to emotion or anything transcendent. You'd have the same exact feelings and experiences if you were actually mentally healthy enough to realize you're talking nonsense.

(October 5, 2017 at 12:23 am)Cyberman Wrote: Newsflash - the world doesn't revolve around you. Other people have needs and opinions that don't mesh with yours. Get over it.

Alright then.  If my idea were true, then it would reveal that, as long as you don't have your positive emotions, then your life is worthless and of no good value.  How do you like that one for a change?  Also, if people are going to not show sympathy and if they are just going to dismiss my needs, then they are, to me, worthless and inferior scum/trash.  If my worldview were somehow true, then that would return the favor upon them by revealing to them that their lives are of no good value and meaningless without their positive emotions.  That would make me the winner and them the inferior losers.

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(October 5, 2017 at 12:27 am)Astonished Wrote: Seems like everything being said about this woo crap is completely and utterly extraneous, irrelevant and unrelated to whatever it's being proposed that it's related to. None of this hippy-dippy garbage is vital or even logically connected to emotion or anything transcendent. You'd have the same exact feelings and experiences if you were actually mentally healthy enough to realize you're talking nonsense.

If it's not logically connected, then it is emotionally connected.

(October 5, 2017 at 12:31 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 5, 2017 at 12:27 am)Astonished Wrote: Seems like everything being said about this woo crap is completely and utterly extraneous, irrelevant and unrelated to whatever it's being proposed that it's related to. None of this hippy-dippy garbage is vital or even logically connected to emotion or anything transcendent. You'd have the same exact feelings and experiences if you were actually mentally healthy enough to realize you're talking nonsense.

If it's not logically connected, then it is emotionally connected.

(October 4, 2017 at 11:42 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: It could not live by its wild, hedonistic nature since it could not feel any positive emotions.  From there, this wild animal has to instead adhere its life to values that are futile.  These are values that simply don't give this animal any real value in its life.  This animal needs to fully recover from its miserable state so that it can obtain the true good value it needs in its life which would be through its positive emotions.  The animal was meant for its wild, hedonistic nature and was not meant for these other empty values.  With all of this being said, I am like the wild animal or the wild, exotic plant that needs to be in its proper environment (a hedonistic environment, in my case) where it can grow and thrive.  I simply do not belong with a value system that is meaningless to me.  That would be an environment where I would wither and fail.

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Ahhhh. Finally someone is saying something that makes sense!

(October 5, 2017 at 5:06 am)bennyboy Wrote:

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Ahhhh.  Finally someone is saying something that makes sense!

What I just said should have made sense.  All I was saying there was that a value system that challenges my own would simply not work out for me since, to me, it is a false value system.  I am, therefore, like the wild, hedonistic animal who needs to live by my own value system since this is the real value system to me.  Otherwise, I would become the enraged and violent animal because I refuse to live my life by values that will not work for me.

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(October 5, 2017 at 2:31 am)Succubus Wrote:

(October 4, 2017 at 11:42 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: It could not live by its wild, hedonistic nature since it could not feel any positive emotions.  From there, this wild animal has to instead adhere its life to values that are futile.  These are values that simply don't give this animal any real value in its life.  This animal needs to fully recover from its miserable state so that it can obtain the true good value it needs in its life which would be through its positive emotions.  The animal was meant for its wild, hedonistic nature and was not meant for these other empty values.  With all of this being said, I am like the wild animal or the wild, exotic plant that needs to be in its proper environment (a hedonistic environment, in my case) where it can grow and thrive.  I simply do not belong with a value system that is meaningless to me.  That would be an environment where I would wither and fail.

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(October 5, 2017 at 2:31 am)Succubus Wrote:

(October 4, 2017 at 11:42 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: It could not live by its wild, hedonistic nature since it could not feel any positive emotions.  From there, this wild animal has to instead adhere its life to values that are futile.  These are values that simply don't give this animal any real value in its life.  This animal needs to fully recover from its miserable state so that it can obtain the true good value it needs in its life which would be through its positive emotions.  The animal was meant for its wild, hedonistic nature and was not meant for these other empty values.  With all of this being said, I am like the wild animal or the wild, exotic plant that needs to be in its proper environment (a hedonistic environment, in my case) where it can grow and thrive.  I simply do not belong with a value system that is meaningless to me.  That would be an environment where I would wither and fail.

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Lmao

35 pages, going to have a headache by the time I'm done.

(October 5, 2017 at 7:14 am)Hammy Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Nope.  It's not in the experience, it's in the definition of "good."  That word can be defined however anybody wants, and that is the definition of subjectivity.  Something which is intrinsically good is good without being defined so by somebody-- and there's no such thing.

Nope. Fail. Because in that case science and logic aren't objective because we have to define that objectivity with words that can be defined how anybody wants.

Words themselves aren't objective. It's what they mean after you define them that's objective.

We don't just make up words and figure out what they mean. We have some observation or idea, and coin a word to represent it. "Apple" means a particular crunchy fruit. "Science" means the process of attaining knowledge through observation and experimentation. "Good" means whatever you want it to mean, based on your individual feelings and predilections. There is great agreement about what "apple" and "science" mean, and little about what constitutes good or bad.

That's because. . . goodness is subjective.