@ Atlas: Asking MK to stop engaging in mental gymnastics is like asking Trump to stop making inane Tweets on Twitter.

Where is Ali by the name? Where Hassan by the name? Where is Hussain by the name? Where is the 12 divine Imams we must follow? Where is the last Imam you worship?

I know exactly where.

(October 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Where is Ali by the name? Where Hassan by the name? Where is Hussain by the name? Where is the 12 divine Imams we must follow? 

AtlasS33, the Quran contains everything in the religion. It just takes a none hasty approach to understand. A humble slow take the time to understand approach.

Why don't you tell me what you believe is the purpose of verse 5:12 with respect to guiding humans?

The Koran is a seriously backwards book.

(October 15, 2017 at 7:42 pm)Hammy Wrote: I know exactly where.

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In MK's head

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This is why the Quran never acknowledges all recitations. Where is the TRUE recitation? In Mohammad's heart and the knowledge he had of it in his breast, he could not expand to people because of a massive propaganda that made people ignorant of the most fundamental essential truths let alone the layers of deep knowledge in Quran.

Aaron was meant to make people "understand" what was in Moses' heart and the words he spoke. Mohammad (pbuh&hf) spoke the whole truth from Quran and his explanation of it, but there need to be navigators who explain that explanation "To understand my word" "And we know your breast is constricted by what they say".

And the name of God is what leads in all this, God teaches through his name, reveals books by his name, and with his name, and his beautiful names that succeed the position of his beautiful Names.

There is deep teaching in Quran with respect to leadership. 5:12 has everything. If I talk about it, to the depth it proves everything I can go on and on. But I don't need to. Quran goes on and on about it and explains it in a better manner than me.

And Ahlulbayt (as) emphasized on key verses with respect to unlocking the true interpretation and way of reciting Quran.

(October 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The post above was the commentary, while I decided to post other verses, I only commented really on one.

The thing is without showing all those verses, people might think I am taking a verse out of context, so I wanted to show some context in Quran. There is a lot of emphasis and re-emphasis in Quran from one verse to another.

It explains itself, and so, to a non-Muslim who doesn't think: 5:12 will not say much. And to Sunnis, it doesn't really prove anything either to Ahlul-Kitab. But to me it proves everything. I mean by that, what morality truly is and by it proves God, what the light is and proves it's source and destination, what leadership truly is and the only one who can designate it to a person, what the true religion always has been and will it will away be, and the path to knowledge as opposed to ignorance.

But the expansion of every verse and it's purpose is the whole Quran.  Each verse has a purpose with respect to whole Quran.

And this verse brings everything together in a marvelous ring, a jewel, beautifies it, and proves everything in it.

The context complained, saying somebody made him lose compass !
The verse has nothing to do with Islam; MK, it speaks about ancient Israel by THE NAME. What context?

The context of the verse tells me that it's about ancient Israeli 12 captains ! Yours are Arabs and Persians !
It explains itself, when you come without any Hadiths, and it proves your point. Without any Hadiths, this is talking about ANCIENT CAPTAINS who were ISRAELIES and their numbers were 12.

Israelies -Semites- are not Arab or Persian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

Arabs are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Azrael

Listen to me; MK. Leadership is in your hand. You control and own your destiny. God made you and me and everybody else like that. Your own holy book says that:

Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
( 13 )   And [for] every person We have imposed his fate upon his neck, and We will produce for him on the Day of Resurrection a record which he will encounter spread open.

Your fate is on your hands:

Quote:Sura 91, The Quran:
( 7 )   And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it
( 8 )   And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness,
( 9 )   He has succeeded who purifies it,
( 10 )   And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].

That's your own holy book saying that. That's a verse explaining itself.
The Shiite leaders are a hoax, advertised to make certain clans mobilize armies and win battles. Sunnah did the same.

A proof would be the battles between both sects. Don't be one of those who spill oil on the fire. Muslims burned themselves and their region a lot with this sectarian none-sense.

Read your comment again; and ask yourself: without Hadiths; would anybody believe that "Israeli captains" mean "Arab/Persian Shiite captains?"

(October 15, 2017 at 8:01 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The verse has nothing to do with Islam; MK, it speaks about ancient Israel by THE NAME. What context?

The context for one is about God completing the religion and being satisfied with Islam as our religion, go back to the mood set by 5:3 which is a huge thing, if God completed the religion, then its important to know what actually happened on that day. So everything in this Surah (and I argue the whole Quran) is about Islam.

How can a verse in Quran have nothing to do with Islam? 

Ok so let's say it has nothing to do with Islam or guiding humanity, what according to you is the purpose of God stating this and what role does it have with respect to the flow of the verses before and after?

(October 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Hammy Wrote: @ Atlas: Asking MK to stop engaging in mental gymnastics is like asking Trump to stop making inane Tweets on Twitter.

This is exactly how forcing ideas and doctrines work. You have certain beliefs that not so many people believe in; first you push them with soft-power, every time you fail you jump to the next attempt; until you can't anymore.

Second; you either yield or solve the problem using "the ancient laws of combat"

(October 15, 2017 at 7:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is why the Quran never acknowledges all recitations.

The one that finally recognizes that it's all bullshit.