OK, I am an atheist and that is fine. I can handle pretty much any claim chucked by theists and that is fine too.

But there is one theist thing that will get me frankly irrationaly mad. And that is the pre-suppositonalists  of the Sye Ten Bruggencate type of thiing.

It isn't the religious claims per se, those I can gladly deal with. It is the claim that they know better what I "truly" believe behind it all that really raises my hackles.

Contributions and heckles welcome. Have at it.

I hate that one too. That's usually where I *bop* them over the head with my Clue-By-Four™ and give them a 10-minute misconduct for attempted mind reading.

Perhaps for a change of pace I'll counter that argument with a bald assertion that they're actually worshipping {fill in the blank} because of {something they referenced in an earlier comment}.

Clue-By-Four™

That is priceless on so many levels.

None.

But "You just gotta have faith" is pretty mindless.

Pre-suppositionalists drive me up the tree, too. It’s the worst perversion of philosophy I’ve ever encountered and is invariably presented in a manner so smug and self-satisfied that my first reaction isn’t to argue with the person so much as to grab a good stout stick.

(November 6, 2017 at 12:44 am)Hammy Wrote: None.

But "You just gotta have faith" is pretty mindless.

I kinda toss that one straight out. One could have faith in magic universe forming pixies for all I care. Does not make them real.

Faith, very simply, is an excuse for believing anything for which no evidence exists.

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(November 6, 2017 at 12:47 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: Pre-suppositionalists drive me up the tree, too. It’s the worst perversion of philosophy I’ve ever encountered and is invariably presented in a manner so smug and self-satisfied that my first reaction isn’t to argue with the person so much as to grab a good stout stick.

Wow. And there I was thinking it was just me. 

I deliberately did not mention the "smug and self-satisfied" part because I did not want to lead the conversation as it were. That is a really irritating thing. As a placid and pacifist bloke, little provokes me to anger and violence. Pre-suppositionalists get in that very short list. There they find themselves in the company of child molesters. I have two kids and if anyone laid a wrong finger upon them I could not be responsible for my actions. That is how visceral the Pre-suppositionalists get for me.

Calm down, don't swear. OK we are all good.

Transubstantiation.  'It changed, but there's no way to tell that it changed.'

Boru

(November 6, 2017 at 4:33 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Transubstantiation.  'It changed, but there's no way to tell that it changed.'

Boru

OK I will concede that that one is a cracker. <snigger>

None that I can think of specifically. It's more attitudes that I find annoying than any particular argument, like a theist not listening to a counter-argument and just parroting their same initial argument.

So you mean Pre-suppositionalists then, right?