(November 14, 2017 at 6:52 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Succubus Wrote: Then please clarify what it is you don't believe. Is it the church teaching re, original sin or what?

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Did you forget to add a smiley or are you latching on to that 'other' thread where a theist plays the victim card big time!

Same question I just asked; what is it you don't believe? Please clarify.

Why do you think that I'm playing the victim card?  I said very little and  I think your a little jumpy on the victim card thing.

I don't believe original sin means in any way, that one needs to be sorry for being born.   I do believe that I have enough sin of my own to worry about, without and sin of Adam, and that what we inherited was a sinfulness that needs a cure.

Buying the cure from the same assholes that sold you the illness doesn't strike me as a good solution.

(November 14, 2017 at 9:15 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 6:52 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why do you think that I'm playing the victim card?  I said very little and  I think your a little jumpy on the victim card thing.

I don't believe original sin means in any way, that one needs to be sorry for being born.   I do believe that I have enough sin of my own to worry about, without and sin of Adam, and that what we inherited was a sinfulness that needs a cure.

Buying the cure from the same assholes that sold you the illness doesn't strike me as a good solution.

You cannot discredit atheisism for a lack of seemingly wity one liners. Unfortunately when subjected to deeper inspection and scrutiny; they often seem to be little more than cheap flash.

Most mainline Christian denominations affirm that everyone is a sinner, corrupted by sin because of the disobedience of the original parents. That can be easily misunderstood to mean that people are bad, especially with scary theological nomenclature like "total depravity". The doctrine is only about 'absolute' good in relation to the holiness of God. The doctrine is not about whether or not people can be 'relatively' good with respect to one another. No one I know denies that people can be courageous, temperate, charitable, kind, or possess any of many other virtues. According to the doctrine, Mankind was created good in an absolute sense, being in perfect harmony with our own nature as God intended. However, upon taking falsity and evil into ourselves that perfect harmony was broken. And yet people still retain the capacity to live relatively true and good lives. The Lord calls on us to be such. However, we cannot by our own efforts restore a perfect harmony with God except by embracing His Grace.

(November 14, 2017 at 11:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Most mainline Christian denominations affirm that everyone is a sinner, corrupted by sin because of the disobedience of the original parents. That can be easily misunderstood to mean that people are bad, especially with scary theological nomenclature like "total depravity". The doctrine is only about 'absolute' good in relation to the holiness of God. The doctrine is not about whether or not people can be 'relatively' good with respect to one another. No one I know denies that people can be courageous, temperate, charitable, kind, or possess any of many other virtues. According to the doctrine, Mankind was created good in an absolute sense, being in perfect harmony with our own nature as God intended. However, upon taking falsity and evil into ourselves that perfect harmony was broken. And yet people still retain the capacity to live relatively true and good lives. The Lord calls on us to be such. However, we cannot by our own efforts restore a perfect harmony with God except by embracing His Grace.

Well in that case, I might as well just go out and beat up an old lady and nick her handbag, sod it.
That is the problem with your bullshit scapegoat doctrine (if you buy into it some second rate preacher has already paid the price for your actions)

It's actually laughable.

(November 14, 2017 at 8:07 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Sorry, you had that experience.  I’m not questioning your account, but you may consider that you misunderstood somethings (being 8 and all). But it could of also been them that where mistaken.... you shouldn’t judge a philosophy, by its abuse.

Again you are saying I'm judging something as a whole. Where do you come off assuming that? I never said any specific religion or denomination of a religion were doing this. You keep acting like I'm over here throwing out false accusations about things when all I said was something about one kind of event/religious act.

Although btw I live in the bible belt and I have heard this come from multiple people since that church event. It wasn't so harsh as you are a bad person because you were born but it was pretty straight forward that someone in the past did something bad and you are now not good enough to be with the god that created you. Ask for forgiveness and you will be good to go. Well I don't care how old you are that comes across as you have to ask for forgiveness for something you had no control over and that is disgusting.

My husband is a catholic though and he told me that the pope has said that any good person gets to go to heaven so that's not the same concept and I can accept it a bit more.

(November 14, 2017 at 9:15 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 6:52 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why do you think that I'm playing the victim card?  I said very little and  I think your a little jumpy on the victim card thing.

I don't believe original sin means in any way, that one needs to be sorry for being born.   I do believe that I have enough sin of my own to worry about, without and sin of Adam, and that what we inherited was a sinfulness that needs a cure.

Buying the cure from the same assholes that sold you the illness doesn't strike me as a good solution.

It's almost like it's a massive intergenerational scam trying to sell a conception of morality.

(November 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 3:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  They understand a truth that is far beyond your grasp, a truth that changes the heart for the better. you've purposely left yourself out and I find this sad.

GC

God(If we presume he exists). Let's cancer, tumors, rape, mental crippling, happen to little girls and boys and their moms. And forwards promise of torture trough his followers to rest of people so they kneel before him.

 God doesn't make those things happen, sin has brought all this on man, God promises to be with those who love Him and help them through such things. God doesn't force anyone to love and worship Him, on the contrary He wants us to worship Him and love Him by our own choice.

GC

(November 14, 2017 at 5:10 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well yeah Christianity, as with almost all religions, is basically very manic depressing

Indeed.

When I was 18 I had a full blown manic episode and believed I was the son of God for 2 weeks straight. No joke.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus Christ himself was no different, but back then no one understood mental illness or manic depression and people were even more gullible than they are now so they believed the shit he said.

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(November 14, 2017 at 3:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(November 12, 2017 at 3:39 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: It's painful to read posts on christian forums when they write things like they are some kind of slaves - "I will suffer a little bit more. I'm a sinner. Soon there will be rapture, second coming, judgment after I die. Just a little bit more and my perfect goal will be achieved".

No wonder believers like to lash out on atheists with their hell threats, as some sort of stress relief, having a big stick up their assess all the time.


Example:

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I would say this...

If in a specific or general career path you can:

1. Honor God
2. Serve God
3. Witness to God
4. Have time for God

The path is okay with God.

He probably isn't going to use His celestial hand to push you into someones HR office. He will, however, use you where you go.
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You cannot just deny self under your own power. The main way to deny self is the allow the indwelling Holy Spirit to lead you.
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 They understand a truth that is far beyond your grasp, a truth that changes the heart for the better. you've purposely left yourself out and I find this sad.

GC

People are so fucking stupid Jesus fucking Christ. How the fuck does the majority of the fucking population believe they have an imaginary friend!??!? We're talking about GROWN ADULTS for fuck's sake. Oh my goodness sometimes it's so fucking stupid and retarded to believe in God that I just wonder what the fuck I am doing on this stupid fucking planet full of morons.

(November 14, 2017 at 10:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 9:15 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Buying the cure from the same assholes that sold you the illness doesn't strike me as a good solution.

You cannot discredit atheisism for a lack of seemingly wity one liners.  Unfortunately when subjected to deeper inspection and scrutiny; they often seem to be little more than cheap flash.

Sorta like the bible and the honesty of most of its believers?

(November 15, 2017 at 10:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: God(If we presume he exists). Let's cancer, tumors, rape, mental crippling, happen to little girls and boys and their moms. And forwards promise of torture trough his followers to rest of people so they kneel before him.

 God doesn't make those things happen

GC

No, it just stands back and watches, doing nothing, making it just as complicit as if it had made those things happen.

You gawd is a figment of your imagination GC. Why do you refuse to join the 21st century?