(November 19, 2017 at 5:50 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 4:00 am)Haipule Wrote: There is no evidence that He doesn't exist!

Sure there is.  When magic book tells you "He" did this or that..and this and that never happened...that's strong evidence that "He" doesn't exist.  Maybe some other god?  

Have you heard the good news?  Huitzilopochtli sacrificed himself to keep the sun burning for you....and when you die, supposing you die in glorious battle, he will transform you into a hummingbird to fly alongside him in his war against perpetual darkness!

Oh great! Then I will be afraid of mantis'. I love mantis'

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(November 19, 2017 at 6:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There is no evidence that the following do not exist:  griffins, leprechauns, banshees. unicorns, Bigfeet, ghosts, basilisks, chupacabras, werewolves, faeries, golems, minotaurs, bonnacons, dragons, wulvers, pixies, elves, brownies, and more too numerous to list.

And yet - oddly enough - I find no compelling reason to take their existence seriously.

Boru

Come on now, who hasn't seen a pixie? Unicorns can't exist because well, can you imagine a unicorn fight?!

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(November 19, 2017 at 4:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:There is no evidence that He doesn't exist!

You realize that this is a mind-numbingly bad point for you to make, right?


Boru

Conceder the source.

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(November 19, 2017 at 7:09 am)SaStrike Wrote: OP you shouldn't post while drunk.

Sorry, posting under the influence is a bad habit of mine. I am filled with the spirits!

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(November 19, 2017 at 7:19 am)Mathilda Wrote: I'm going to accept any argument that says I'm a god no matter how flawed it was.

Can everyone just feel the love? By the way, I'm really just here to pick-up chicks. Did you see my thread on pick-up lines?

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(November 19, 2017 at 4:01 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: A fool says in his heart there is no god.  A wise man states it loudly.


But take it from me.  No one says anything in their heart, or with their heart.

Thanks for reigning me in.

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(November 19, 2017 at 3:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(November 18, 2017 at 10:34 pm)Haipule Wrote: Psalm 14:1/53:1 A fool says in his heart, "there is no God".

Q) So, you're an atheist?
A) yes.

Q) That means that beyond your vast resources of ideas: there is no God?
A) There is no god.

That means that you are omniscient and that you ARE God!

Then bowing to my knees I yell out, "Command me my Lord!"

Atheism is nothing more than NOT being convinced that a god or gods exist. It is not necessarily the claim that no gods exist.

So, your entire little dialog is nothing but a straw man.

I don't have to be omniscient in order to say that, as of now, I haven't been presented with sufficient demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support the claim made by theists, that a god exists.  

I guess you also must be omniscient in order to disbelieve in Shiva, Ahura Mazda, Ba'al, and all the other 1000's of gods, right?

No Dude! I said YOU are omniscient my Lord. Surely I'm not wrong!

(November 19, 2017 at 11:45 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 7:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: What would you be the god of?

Administration and stationary supplies.

Goddess Mathilda, the God of Administration and Supplies: I could really use a can of air--Amen.

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(November 19, 2017 at 11:45 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 7:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: What would you be the god of?

Administration and stationary supplies.

Goddess Mathilda, the God of Administration and Supplies: I could really use a can of air--Amen.

If I understand OP:

He is saying, unless we know everything possible to know, we should not rule out the possibility of knowing God.
This is true.

I would add when I was in Kindergarten, I had no idea why colours existed. I knew I saw colours. I didn't know why. I didn't even think about the issue of that I was analyzing reality through five senses which didn't create the experience but rather my brain creates the experience based on imput from those five senses.

We all see God. If you didn't think about what you been seeing, that is fine, but if you begin to analyze what are you seeing, you will realize your heart has never been disconnected from the source. 

As the illumination of God is seen through love, you assumed love was an emotion, because that is how people talk about it. But if you analyze it, you will see it is a vision of value with emotion.

It values beauty, and when you value your actions of your parents and analyze that and form a connection it values the beauty of their actions, and appreciation or praise is but love and valuing actions and the one doing the actions.

In all that it uses love of the beauty of the source, and it assumes some actions of people are done with those intentions, and you form images based on visions of the value of the connection to the source o all value.

You cannot love without the guide and connection to God, the face of God is the true nature of love, everything has an aspect of the face of God, and when you love somone you form a judgment with respect to the archetype connection and beauty, the beautiful name of God, the Navigator to the just world we await.

(November 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If I understand OP:

He is saying, unless we know everything possible to know, we should not rule out the possibility of knowing God.
This is true.

Many of us don't go so far as to rule it out, preferring to identify as agnostic atheists.  But there is no reason to file it in the "urgent action required" bin either.  Since it involves recognition of the logically challenged category 'supernatural' for which there is no uncontroversial exemplar, god claims can reasonably be tossed in the round file without stamping it as either true or false.

There is plenty of reasons to show urgent action is required. For starters, just the way God is defined as the being that ought to valued with nothing on par with that value.

If we don't value what we ought to be valued the most, what good is valuing what has less right to value?  It becomes hypocritical.

That makes no sense to me. Stays in the round file.

(November 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If I understand OP:

He is saying, unless we know everything possible to know, we should not rule out the possibility of knowing God.
This is true.

I would add when I was in Kindergarten, I had no idea why colours existed. I knew I saw colours. I didn't know why. I didn't even think about the issue of that I was analyzing reality through five senses which didn't create the experience but rather my brain creates the experience based on imput from those five senses.

We all see God. If you didn't think about what you been seeing, that is fine, but if you begin to analyze what are you seeing, you will realize your heart has never been disconnected from the source. 

As the illumination of God is seen through love, you assumed love was an emotion, because that is how people talk about it. But if you analyze it, you will see it is a vision of value with emotion.

It values beauty, and when you value your actions of your parents and analyze that and form a connection it values the beauty of their actions, and appreciation or praise is but love and valuing actions and the one doing the actions.

In all that it uses love of the beauty of the source, and it assumes some actions of people are done with those intentions, and you form images based on visions of the value of the connection to the source o all value.

You cannot love without the guide and connection to God, the face of God is the true nature of love, everything has an aspect of the face of God, and when you love somone you form a judgment with respect to the archetype connection and beauty, the beautiful name of God, the Navigator to the just world we await.

Atheism at its most basic has nothing to do with ruling out gods. It's about not ruling them in.

But Yahweh? The idiot that made the Universe in six days, man out of dust and woman out of a meatbone, who couldn't even find them when they were hiding behind a tree in the middle of the only habitable spot in existence? Whose kryptonite is anything made from iron? Yeah, we can be pretty certain that that bastard is purely - and poorly - fictional.

(November 19, 2017 at 11:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If I understand OP:

He is saying, unless we know everything possible to know, we should not rule out the possibility of knowing God.
This is true.

I would add when I was in Kindergarten, I had no idea why colours existed. I knew I saw colours. I didn't know why. I didn't even think about the issue of that I was analyzing reality through five senses which didn't create the experience but rather my brain creates the experience based on imput from those five senses.

We all see God. If you didn't think about what you been seeing, that is fine, but if you begin to analyze what are you seeing, you will realize your heart has never been disconnected from the source. 

As the illumination of God is seen through love, you assumed love was an emotion, because that is how people talk about it. But if you analyze it, you will see it is a vision of value with emotion.

It values beauty, and when you value your actions of your parents and analyze that and form a connection it values the beauty of their actions, and appreciation or praise is but love and valuing actions and the one doing the actions.

In all that it uses love of the beauty of the source, and it assumes some actions of people are done with those intentions, and you form images based on visions of the value of the connection to the source o all value.

You cannot love without the guide and connection to God, the face of God is the true nature of love, everything has an aspect of the face of God, and when you love somone you form a judgment with respect to the archetype connection and beauty, the beautiful name of God, the Navigator to the just world we await.

Got to love that tongue!

(November 20, 2017 at 12:47 am)Cyberman Wrote: Atheism at its most basic has nothing to do with ruling out gods. It's about not ruling them in.

But Yahweh? The idiot that made the Universe in six days, man out of dust and woman out of a meatbone, who couldn't even find them when they were hiding behind a tree in the middle of the only habitable spot in existence? Whose kryptonite is anything made from iron? Yeah, we can be pretty certain that that bastard is purely - and poorly - fictional.

Man out of the immortal plant stem cells found in the dust as well as other ingredients scientifically proven. And the woman made from the multipotent stem cells of the rib bone which grows back if the surgeon leaves the sheath intact. Is that what you mean? Naaaa, you don't believe in science.