(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Short answer: no.
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Phew! That's a load off my mind.

Now, can you please tell me, whether or not atheists can enter Narnia?

(January 26, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Do me next.  What are my chances of getting an E afterlife ticket?  Even money?

Eh, don't know about you. You're one of the mean ones around here. Probably 30% chance for you. Now little Succie on the other hand.....

What are my odds of not burning in hell for eternity? Given that there is about a 0% chance of me becoming anything but an anti-theist in my life?

(January 27, 2018 at 8:33 am)shadow Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Eh, don't know about you. You're one of the mean ones around here. Probably 30% chance for you. Now little Succie on the other hand.....

What are my odds of not burning in hell for eternity? Given that there is about a 0% chance of me becoming anything but an anti-theist in my life?

I suppose I can give you a 50/50 shot. You are anti theist, afterall, though I haven't seen you be particularly nasty to everyone here, like that troll Whateverist. Though not a saintly gorgeous being like Succie, either.

(January 27, 2018 at 8:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 8:33 am)shadow Wrote: What are my odds of not burning in hell for eternity? Given that there is about a 0% chance of me becoming anything but an anti-theist in my life?

I suppose I can give you a 50/50 shot. You are anti theist, afterall, though I haven't seen you be particularly nasty to everyone here, like that troll Whateverist. Though not a saintly gorgeous being like Succie, either.

C_L, do you miss the forgotten Glory of Holy Crusade?

Didn't that poll say "two months"? Or am I thinking of anbother one. It's still way too early for me to be using my brain.

(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Short answer: no.

Long answer: 


Any human who when the truth is presented and has a way out of the darkness and perceives it but denies it after God's proof is settled, then yes, they belong to hell.

If words can decisively prove a Creator there would be no need of religion. Religion has a Guide, paradigms to act upon while searching it, and love has many interpretations.

I see humans as they outwardly appear so it's inwardly like that.


Most people are not so beautiful nor so ugly, but just good looking to the extent they should be satisfied with how they look.

The same is true pertaining to truth seeking. Most won't go the ends of the earth is search of knowledge of the self and most can't even if they wanted to.

However most when truth becomes apparent to them accept.

I believe most humans are dishonest with themselves, I believe to a great degree I deceive myself as well.


But when things are proven in the way God proves firmly beyond doubt, then truth, is no longer veiled, then some nations most believed and many nations disbelieved, and of the nations mentioned in Quran, it's only people of Yonus who benefited from their faith.

The Israelites believed but then turned the message into meaningless stories when they rejected Mohammad and the Mastership of Ali and their family.


I get frustrated but I am not the doctor to cure you, nor have I placed in the right way.

I don't believe I have established the proof despite knowing by arguments are both valid and sound. The premises they rest upon do need more elaboration which I have not done.


Give me time and I will come back after sometime, as a better communicator. I will prove the premises you dispute about in a better way.

I believe we all are dishonest in many levels, we deceive ourselves, the greatest degree is I believe what Atheists find themselves in, where they convince themselves they have no knowledge of God.

But the proof of God is a healing and healer, it cures the dishonesty and sets the world back in proper balanced order, set's your soul in it's proper image, not the mirror inverted backwards image of falsehood and lies of Iblis.

I can't prove all this stuff because I don't know what you really know and what you don't. It makes sense to me, is all I can assure you of.


We will however to move forward have to have a more serious conversation. We all have to be more serious. Less battle of egos and more serious to the discussions.

No, don't come back trying to be "better". Just accept that you will never be able to convince us that you're right and we're wrong, since most of us have given the various theistic arguments some deep thinking and already made up our minds about them. And you're not, and will not ever be, saying anything new that we've never heard of.

You're always free to have a debate with any of us, but just know most of us skeptical and critical thinking atheists are in our current thinking for good intellectual reasons, and it's going to take a whole lot more than just words to prove to us that some god of the caliber you worship exists. Something you're just not capable of doing on an online forum, if at all IRL.

(January 27, 2018 at 8:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 8:33 am)shadow Wrote: What are my odds of not burning in hell for eternity? Given that there is about a 0% chance of me becoming anything but an anti-theist in my life?

I suppose I can give you a 50/50 shot. You are anti theist, afterall, though I haven't seen you be particularly nasty to everyone here, like that troll Whateverist. Though not a saintly gorgeous being like Succie, either.

So your idea of who goes to heaven or hell depends more on how one treats other people, and less on one's religion? I think that's a nicer outlook, but I don't know how Catholic it is.

(January 27, 2018 at 9:31 am)shadow Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 8:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I suppose I can give you a 50/50 shot. You are anti theist, afterall, though I haven't seen you be particularly nasty to everyone here, like that troll Whateverist. Though not a saintly gorgeous being like Succie, either.

So your idea of who goes to heaven or hell depends more on how one treats other people, and less on one's religion? I think that's a nicer outlook, but I don't know how Catholic it is.

It's definitely not in accordance with "Apostle" Paul's teachings, that's for sure.

MK, what makes you think I'm not in hell now?

(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Short answer: no.

Long answer: 


Any human who when the truth is presented and has a way out of the darkness and perceives it but denies it after God's proof is settled, then yes, they belong to hell.

If words can decisively prove a Creator there would be no need of religion. Religion has a Guide, paradigms to act upon while searching it, and love has many interpretations.

I see humans as they outwardly appear so it's inwardly like that.


Most people are not so beautiful nor so ugly, but just good looking to the extent they should be satisfied with how they look.

The same is true pertaining to truth seeking. Most won't go the ends of the earth is search of knowledge of the self and most can't even if they wanted to.

However most when truth becomes apparent to them accept.

I believe most humans are dishonest with themselves, I believe to a great degree I deceive myself as well.


But when things are proven in the way God proves firmly beyond doubt, then truth, is no longer veiled, then some nations most believed and many nations disbelieved, and of the nations mentioned in Quran, it's only people of Yonus who benefited from their faith.

The Israelites believed but then turned the message into meaningless stories when they rejected Mohammad and the Mastership of Ali and their family.


I get frustrated but I am not the doctor to cure you, nor have I placed in the right way.

I don't believe I have established the proof despite knowing by arguments are both valid and sound. The premises they rest upon do need more elaboration which I have not done.


Give me time and I will come back after sometime, as a better communicator. I will prove the premises you dispute about in a better way.

I believe we all are dishonest in many levels, we deceive ourselves, the greatest degree is I believe what Atheists find themselves in, where they convince themselves they have no knowledge of God.

But the proof of God is a healing and healer, it cures the dishonesty and sets the world back in proper balanced order, set's your soul in it's proper image, not the mirror inverted backwards image of falsehood and lies of Iblis.

I can't prove all this stuff because I don't know what you really know and what you don't. It makes sense to me, is all I can assure you of.


We will however to move forward have to have a more serious conversation. We all have to be more serious. Less battle of egos and more serious to the discussions.

I find interesting.
One of your signature say...........Whoever knows himself, knows his lord.......from Misbah al-Shariah

That I also believe.
At the same time it contradict your assumption that people may go to hell.

Why?

If the Lord is within then how can you end up (down) in hell?
If you reach the stage in which you know that you are the Lord then you can not possibly end in hell.
No matter what.
Can you see the contradiction?