(January 26, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 1:05 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I don't have enough evidence to rule out aliens. Life is possible, space travel is possible.
So maybe.

What sort of evidence would rule out an Extraterrestrial intelligence?

Aliens existing and said aliens visiting planet earth are two completely unrelated hypotheses. The first one is highly probable, the second one; show me the monkeys.

If alien life is exists then they may have come here.
More likely to be time travelling humans though. We're much closer.

The Wow Signal remains the best evidence to date of ET:

Quote:The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal received on August 15, 1977, by Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope in the United States, then used to support the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The signal appeared to come from the constellation Sagittarius and bore the expected hallmarks of extraterrestrial origin.
Astronomer Jerry R. Ehman discovered the anomaly a few days later while reviewing the recorded data. He was so impressed by the result that he circled the reading on the computer printout and wrote the comment Wow! on its side, leading to the event's widely used name.[2]
The entire signal sequence lasted for the full 72-second window during which Big Ear was able to observe it, but has not been detected since, despite several subsequent attempts by Ehman and others. Many hypotheses have been advanced on the origin of the emission, including natural and man-made sources, but none of them adequately explains the result.[3] The Wow! signal remains therefore the strongest candidate for an alien radio transmission ever detected.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

(January 28, 2018 at 8:38 am)Jehanne Wrote: The Wow Signal remains the best evidence to date of ET:

Quote:The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal received on August 15, 1977, by Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope in the United States, then used to support the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The signal appeared to come from the constellation Sagittarius and bore the expected hallmarks of extraterrestrial origin.
Astronomer Jerry R. Ehman discovered the anomaly a few days later while reviewing the recorded data. He was so impressed by the result that he circled the reading on the computer printout and wrote the comment Wow! on its side, leading to the event's widely used name.[2]
The entire signal sequence lasted for the full 72-second window during which Big Ear was able to observe it, but has not been detected since, despite several subsequent attempts by Ehman and others. Many hypotheses have been advanced on the origin of the emission, including natural and man-made sources, but none of them adequately explains the result.[3] The Wow! signal remains therefore the strongest candidate for an alien radio transmission ever detected.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

It's certainly evidence of something. Why do you think that something is an ET?

(January 28, 2018 at 10:22 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(January 28, 2018 at 8:38 am)Jehanne Wrote: The Wow Signal remains the best evidence to date of ET:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

It's certainly evidence of something. Why do you think that something is an ET?

It's possible that the Wow Signal could have originated from extraterrestrial intelligence. No known natural source is known to produce a signal of that kind. The best non-ET explanation is that it was a comet... but there are several aspects of the signal that make a comet an unlikely culprit.

Granted, it's no smoking gun, but the wow signal is pretty interesting, whatever it was.

(January 28, 2018 at 10:51 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(January 28, 2018 at 10:22 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It's certainly evidence of something. Why do you think that something is an ET?

It's possible that the Wow Signal could have originated from extraterrestrial intelligence. No known natural source is known to produce a signal of that kind. The best non-ET explanation is that it was a comet... but there are several aspects of the signal that make a comet an unlikely culprit.

Granted, it's no smoking gun, but the wow signal is pretty interesting, whatever it was.

I agree with "possible" based solely on "not impossible". I can't see any reason to go with "probably".

(January 28, 2018 at 11:28 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(January 28, 2018 at 10:51 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: It's possible that the Wow Signal could have originated from extraterrestrial intelligence. No known natural source is known to produce a signal of that kind. The best non-ET explanation is that it was a comet... but there are several aspects of the signal that make a comet an unlikely culprit.

Granted, it's no smoking gun, but the wow signal is pretty interesting, whatever it was.

I agree with "possible" based solely on "not impossible". I can't see any reason to go with "probably".

Absolutely.  If it is truly ET, then it must be able to happen again, to be replicated, which is an ongoing problem with those ever so elusive "miracles".

(January 28, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 28, 2018 at 11:28 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I agree with "possible" based solely on "not impossible". I can't see any reason to go with "probably".

Absolutely.  If it is truly ET, then it must be able to happen again, to be replicated, which is an ongoing problem with those ever so elusive "miracles".

Yep. Table-top fusion reactors, they pop up every few years, but nobody else can get the results stated. And so it goes.

(January 28, 2018 at 8:38 am)Jehanne Wrote: The Wow Signal remains the best evidence to date of ET:

Quote:The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal received on August 15, 1977, by Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope in the United States, then used to support the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The signal appeared to come from the constellation Sagittarius and bore the expected hallmarks of extraterrestrial origin.
Astronomer Jerry R. Ehman discovered the anomaly a few days later while reviewing the recorded data. He was so impressed by the result that he circled the reading on the computer printout and wrote the comment Wow! on its side, leading to the event's widely used name.[2]
The entire signal sequence lasted for the full 72-second window during which Big Ear was able to observe it, but has not been detected since, despite several subsequent attempts by Ehman and others. Many hypotheses have been advanced on the origin of the emission, including natural and man-made sources, but none of them adequately explains the result.[3] The Wow! signal remains therefore the strongest candidate for an alien radio transmission ever detected.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

Not exactly. We don't know what the vast majority of the universe is made of yet (yes, dark energy & dark matter), but what exactly is dark matter and dark energy?

There are so many things that we simply don't know about, which makes it kind of arrogant of humans to use a single signal as the best evidence to date of ET – especially considering one of the basic questions remains unanswered.

(January 24, 2018 at 6:47 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Rendlesham is a great case study for illustrating the retrofitting of evidence. The track-back is quite clear.

What's really interesting about investigating Rendlesham Forest incident is that you can see how myth gets made. Take that Sergeant Jim Penniston, people were obviously very interested in listening to him speak when he stated that he got about 30 meters of the flying saucer. He so much liked the attention that he had to revive the story, make it more spectacular because it was getting boring so later on he claimed he touched the saucer and then more years later he claims he gets telepathic messages from the saucer in binary code.

I mean it's impossible to draw parallels with Jesus and his myth starting with Mark's no-frills gospel: there is no miraculous virgin birth, no star of Bethlehem, no wise men, no empire-wide taxations, no angelic announcements, nor tales of precocious young Jesus astounding the rabbis with his knowledge. These spectacular embellishments are all later Christian developments. After Mark wrote his gospel, Christians increasingly saw Jesus as through the lens of higher and higher Christologies. Just a few decades later, Jesus was no longer an ordinary man turned savior; now John's Jesus was equal to God himself right from the beginning of time. Although Mark clearly shows Jesus' non-omniscience, like "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

"What's really interesting about investigating Rendlesham Forest incident is that you can see how myth gets made."

That's what I said.