(February 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Yes, a giant frame job from an agency that's been so consistently conservative that it's never had anything other than a republican director since it's inception.  What wouldn't you guys believe, honestly?

So I guess that means, according to you, the Red Scare investigation is also a  giant conservative frame job of Trump. You're becoming a parody of yourself, Khem.

I think his point is that the FBI leans conservative in terms of its directors, but acts in a bipartisan way. The FBI are not a partisan institution, they have a mission to investigate crimes, whether those crimes are committed by the majority or the minority.

It is entirely possible to be a Trump supporter, work at the FBI, and participate in an unbiased investigation of Trump. That is, it's possible if you care more about your country than you do about your party.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Parts of the Steele dossier have been corroborated, so it's hardly "shoddy".

Depends on what what corroborated. Were they important or trivial details?

(February 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The FBI have said this memo leaves out important context, i.e. possibly other pieces of evidence that were used for a FISA warrant.

Like all the important context the media got from their anonymous sources? The MSM and Democrats uncritically lapped it all up and reported it all as gospel without any context.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Do you have any evidence that this single FISA warrant started the whole Russian investigation?

16 months and still waiting for evidence of Trump-Russia "collusion", whatever that means.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Depends on what what corroborated. Were they important or trivial details?

One would hope if they are used in a FISA warrant, they would be important. Remember a judge had to review the evidence. Also, this was known months ago: https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/...index.html

Quote:Like all the important context the media got from their anonymous sources? The MSM and Democrats uncritically lapped it all up and reported it all as gospel without any context.

The MSM and Democrats are not government agencies, and certainly not government investigative agencies. Do you have any evidence that the FBI behaved in a similar way?

Quote:16 months and still waiting for evidence of Trump-Russia "collusion", whatever that means.

The investigation is ongoing. You get the results of an investigation, not surprisingly, at the end of the investigation.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: So I guess that means, according to you, the Red Scare investigation is also a  giant conservative frame job of Trump. You're becoming a parody of yourself, Khem.

I think his point is that the FBI leans conservative in terms of its directors, but acts in a bipartisan way. The FBI are not a partisan institution, they have a mission to investigate crimes, whether those crimes are committed by the majority or the minority.

It is entirely possible to be a Trump supporter, work at the FBI, and participate in an unbiased investigation of Trump. That is, it's possible if you care more about your country than you do about your party.

Lets put this in a long term perspective.

There is no point, in having separation of powers, no point in a Constitution, no point in having an oath of office that does not require a political or religious oath, if those we entrust to hold power, if all we want is our own way all the time.

Western values are that of consent, not monopolies of one party. 

I agree, it is very possible for an FBI agent to lean republican, OR democrat, but always put law first. 

Our problem today is not the oath the no name law agent takes. But the head of our nation who has NEEDLESSLY and REPEATEDLY scapegoated and vilified the very institutions that are supposed to protect us with a concept of neutrality.

When we consider Comey's record and Mueller's record, there is no way one can say they are out to get Trump. Whereas Trump has talked like a despot for his campaign and in office. The problem is not the FBI or intel, the problem is leadership.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Tiberius Wrote: It is entirely possible to be a Trump supporter, work at the FBI, and participate in an unbiased investigation of Trump. That is, it's possible if you care more about your country than you do about your party.

Or to be a trump hater, like Peter Strok (lol, these names), and still toss hitlery under the bus by being the guy who wrote the new emails draft ten days before the election...that was read by a republican like Comey....also, apparently, part of the liberal deep state conspiracy against trump..just like trump appointee rod rosenstein....so that a liberal hack like like robert mueller, bush appointee..... can go on a witch hunt.



What...won't...they believe, lol?

Quote:Personally I find this just a little more troubling than Russian Facebook bots...

You would...but then you are a fucking fool who believes anything that the Orange Turd says.  This is your problem.

I can believe that some people are too dense to realize that scrotus is guilty as a motherfucker and continually adding to his list of crimes right in front of a prosecutor clearly interested in them. What I can't believe is that anyone in their right mind would think that the way to evade consequences for those crimes......is to pick a fight with the fbi.......?

The FBI is in the business of fucking crucifying people, they're really good at it. If you want to take a shot, you'd better shoot straight and kill them with the first round. This, obviously, is not that.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Personally I find this just a little more troubling than Russian Facebook bots...

You would...but then you are a fucking fool who believes anything that the Orange Turd says.  This is your problem.

Why do you have a problem with Tang? Other than it was a shitty product?

(February 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 1:43 pm)alpha male Wrote: https://www.scribd.com/document/37059871...from_embed

Basically, DNC/HRC pay $160,000 for the shoddy Steele dossier, then DOJ/FBI used the dossier for a FISA warrant on Carter Page.

Personally I find this just a little more troubling than Russian Facebook bots...

Parts of the Steele dossier have been corroborated, so it's hardly "shoddy".

The FBI have said this memo leaves out important context, i.e. possibly other pieces of evidence that were used for a FISA warrant.

What's more troubling is the Republicans manipulating the facts, refusing to release the Democratic memo, ignoring the advice of the FBI and Justice Department regarding this. They are trying to sell a fake narrative, plain and simple. The truth I imagine will be must less controversial.

(February 2, 2018 at 1:52 pm)A Theist Wrote: I was wondering when this was going to come up for discussion. It looks pretty big. I've been following it on the news. This whole Russia investigation was built on deception.

Do you have any evidence that this single FISA warrant started the whole Russian investigation?

The FISA warrant was obtained using the unverified Steele Dossier as its basis. Parts of it corroborated? Not good enough. Mixing lies with a few truths isn't good enough. It's still deception. What other facts are you aware of that have been omitted? Also, what national security elements were in the memo that the FBI and the DOJ were concerned about? The Democrats are only opposing this because they want to keep the Russia witch Hunt investigation front and center through to the mid terms. They're not interested in justice or the truth.
As far as the truth being less controversial, we'll see in the coming days.

It was reauthorized because a judge decided that there was credible evidence that a target already under surveillance, for years, as a possible foreign asset had continued to act as a foreign asset.

Let me ask you this..as a trump supporter and a republican..presumably a patriot...don;t you think it would concern you if you noticed that the future (and then current) president of the united states had suddenly found himself surrounded by agents of a hostile foreign power already under investigation and continuing the same behaviors that got them on radar in the first place? It's not as if the DOJ and FBI haven't explained, in detail, the process required to get one of these warrants, and cautioned...strenuously, that he nunes/whitehouse memo is complete bullshit.

I know, I know, the fbi is #biaaaas and in the tank for hitlery and trying to murder the president with their secret society...but, cmon, back in the real world..wtf are you doing? In your best case scenario..and allowing for complete fantasy...the president was a victim of a conspiracy by a hostile country, and the FBI is just the agency tasked with figuring that out and fixing it. The whitehouse should have been cooperating, rather than obstructing.