(February 28, 2018 at 9:40 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 8:43 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Consciousness is a function and an effect of a brain moron

Oh, well in this case also the driver is a function of the vehicle.  

Gee, I never thought about it Tiz.  
Thanks for all your tips.  

Unless it's a driverless vehicle.. Just sayin.

(February 27, 2018 at 11:01 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:oh, well if I am a failure after I destroyed all atheists dogmas one by one just imagine what kind of failure are you after I destroyed all your atheists fantasies.  

Yeah that will require you to be as ageless as the  god you baselessly  proclaim is their. Too bad all the evidence shows you'll die long before you even get started and in the end you'll be no closer then when you began . You'll just drift around and around forever calling every inch a victory were none has occurred . And if destroying all a person's dogma's (which don't apply to atheism ) then your a failure infinite  times over. Because your dogmas don't need to be destroyed they have  never had any claim to validity to begin with. Just claims claims and more claims as fickle and floundering as a fever dream .

Dogmas don't apply to atheism?

I beg your pardon Tiz!

Who keep on saying.................the consciousness is a product of the brain.........when we die is all over........nobody created the universe and nobody is needed to run it..........lower forms of lives will never evolve into humans.......humanity is the final step in evolution.............and........blah, blah, blah.............


Aren't atheists that keep on blah, blah, blah more and more dogmas?  

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(February 28, 2018 at 9:51 am)Cod Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 9:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: Oh, well in this case also the driver is a function of the vehicle.  

Gee, I never thought about it Tiz.  
Thanks for all your tips.  

Unless it's a driverless vehicle.. Just sayin.

Just saying wrong (once again).  
Whether the vehicle is operated by a driver or it is programmed by an engineer it will not make an inch of difference because in both cases it is a mind that decide how to operate the vehicle.  

Sorry brother.
Fail again.  

(February 28, 2018 at 9:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 11:01 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Yeah that will require you to be as ageless as the  god you baselessly  proclaim is their. Too bad all the evidence shows you'll die long before you even get started and in the end you'll be no closer then when you began . You'll just drift around and around forever calling every inch a victory were none has occurred . And if destroying all a person's dogma's (which don't apply to atheism ) then your a failure infinite  times over. Because your dogmas don't need to be destroyed they have  never had any claim to validity to begin with. Just claims claims and more claims as fickle and floundering as a fever dream .

Dogmas don't apply to atheism?

I beg your pardon Tiz!

Who keep on saying.................the consciousness is a product of the brain.........when we die is all over........nobody created the universe and nobody is needed to run it..........lower forms of lives will never evolve into humans.......humanity is the final step in evolution.............and........blah, blah, blah.............


Aren't atheists that keep on blah, blah, blah more and more dogmas?  

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(February 28, 2018 at 9:51 am)Cod Wrote: Unless it's a driverless vehicle.. Just sayin.

Just saying wrong (once again).  
Whether the vehicle is operated by a driver or it is programmed by an engineer it will not make an inch of difference because in both cases it is a mind that decide how to operate the vehicle.  

Sorry brother.
Fail again.  

What if the vehicle is a horse drawn carriage?

(February 28, 2018 at 9:40 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 8:43 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Consciousness is a function and an effect of a brain moron

Oh, well in this case also the driver is a function of the vehicle.  

Gee, I never thought about it Tiz.  
Thanks for all your tips.  

Another stupid analogy 


 The driver and the vehicle are two separate things .The brain and consciousness are the same thing. By any standard of evidence we have . 

Yes you don't think period otherwise you would not make stupid analogies 

Any time dumbass

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Quote:Dogmas don't apply to atheism?

I beg your pardon Tiz!

Who keep on saying.................the consciousness is a product of the brain.........when we die is all over........nobody created the universe and nobody is needed to run it..........lower forms of lives will never evolve into humans.......humanity is the final step in evolution.............and........blah, blah, blah.............


Aren't atheists that keep on blah, blah, blah more and more dogmas? 

1. All the above are straw man or misrepresentations of what people have said . So this little rant can dismissed as just that .

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Quote:Just saying wrong (once again).   
Whether the vehicle is operated by a driver or it is programmed by an engineer it will not make an inch of difference because in both cases it is a mind that decide how to operate the vehicle.   

Sorry brother.  
Fail again.  

No once again it's you who fails . Because their is zero evidence that their is a driver and a vehicle. In term of conscience .

(February 28, 2018 at 10:05 am)Cod Wrote: What if the vehicle is a horse drawn carriage?

Goshhh, you never stop coming up again and again with silly questions, do you Cod?  

The horse in this case would act in between mind and matter so it is no mind and no matter.
It is treated by the mind or driver as matter however.  

Horse power in vehicles.  

(February 28, 2018 at 10:48 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 10:05 am)Cod Wrote: What if the vehicle is a horse drawn carriage?

Goshhh, you never stop coming up again and again with silly questions, do you Cod?  

The horse in this case would act in between mind and matter so it is no mind and no matter.
It is treated by the mind or driver as matter however.  

Horse power in vehicles.  

What about the carriage driver? where does he or she fit into it? What if the carriage driver left it unattended, and the horses pulled away with someone on board? Bet you never thought about that did you Rik

But just out of interest let's tear these straw man down shall we . Removing the derpy childish elements .

Quote:he consciousness is a product of the brain

Correction- Their is zero evidence to suggest that the brain and the mind are two separate things and all cases to demonstrate that they are fail . While presently science has demonstrated their integration . Therefore the only reasonable but not final  conclusion is that they are not separate. (this not a dogma it's science based conclusion )

Quote:when we die is all over

Correction- Their is zero evidence to suggest that life continues after death and all attempts  to demonstrate that it does have  failed  . While presently science has demonstrated that life is biological and when that biology fails life ceases  . Therefore the only reasonable but not final  conclusion is that death is the end of life (this is not a dogma it's biology)

Quote:nobody created the universe and nobody is needed to run it

Correction - Their is not yet any evidence demonstrating the existence or need for a creator nor administrator for the universe . There is however scientific  evidence to suggest that neither was needed (this is not a dogma physics)

Quote:lower forms of lives will never evolve into humans

Evolution has no hierarchy. And no other species will evolve into humans. It possible a species could evolve to look like humans . It is possible for a species to achieve all the same abilities as humans . But the evolutionary path humans took will not be retraced by another species . By any understanding of the principles of evolutionary biology . 
(this not dogma it's biology)

Quote:humanity is the final step in evolution

This one i know is a  strawman . No no claiming humans are a final anything in evolution. For all we know cockroaches 100 million years from now may rule the earth . And humanity might be a crude unintelligent species. Or even extinct . 
(this is not dogma it's biology)

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Quote:Goshhh, you never stop coming up again and again with silly questions, do you Cod?   

The horse in this case would act in between mind and matter so it is no mind and no matter.
It is treated by the mind or driver as matter however.   

Horse power in vehicles.  

Too  bad you have yet to back your claim that a brain?/are analogous to a driver and vehicle. Silly analogies do not facts make.

(February 28, 2018 at 10:08 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Another stupid analogy 
The driver and the vehicle are two separate things .The brain and consciousness are the same thing. By any standard of evidence we have. 

Yes you don't think period otherwise you would not make stupid analogies 

Any time dumbass

Any time fool.
You yourself admit that that is the evidence that you (not me) have so far, yet you pretend to know everything by calling me with names.

How stupid can you be!  

How matter like brain can be compared with something abstract as the consciousness?
Double fool and double idiot.  

Quote:Dogmas don't apply to atheism?

I beg your pardon Tiz!

Who keep on saying.................the consciousness is a product of the brain.........when we die is all over........nobody created the universe and nobody is needed to run it..........lower forms of lives will never evolve into humans.......humanity is the final step in evolution.............and........blah, blah, blah.............
Aren't atheists that keep on blah, blah, blah more and more dogmas? 

Quote:1. All the above are straw man or misrepresentations of what people have said . So this little rant can dismissed as just that .

Misrepresentations my foot.
These are statements from atheists that I heard again and again so please stop the crap.  

Quote:Just saying wrong (once again).   
Whether the vehicle is operated by a driver or it is programmed by an engineer it will not make an inch of difference because in both cases it is a mind that decide how to operate the vehicle.   

Sorry brother.  
Fail again.  

Quote:No once again it's you who fails . Because their is zero evidence that their is a driver and a vehicle. In term of conscience .

In this case you are a triple fool considering that for you matter and abstract are the same thing.  

Back to sleep son.
You need some sleep.  

(February 27, 2018 at 10:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: Consciousness according to yoga is the very origin of life.
It is the beginning and the end of evolution.
Actually before evolution started there is de-evolution but this topic may go outside the thread itself so let us stick to evolution only unless you wish to elaborate.

Yoga is just pointless human origami.
There is no such thing as de-evolution.
Consciousness is a consequence of evolution in meat space. Disagree? Then provide an example of any consciousness absent a physical body. You cannot and you know it.

Everything you seem to think you know is wrong. Flat out wrong.

(February 28, 2018 at 10:54 am)Cod Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 10:48 am)Little Rik Wrote: Goshhh, you never stop coming up again and again with silly questions, do you Cod?  

The horse in this case would act in between mind and matter so it is no mind and no matter.
It is treated by the mind or driver as matter however.  

Horse power in vehicles.  

What about the carriage driver? where does he or she fit into it? What if the carriage driver left it unattended, and the horses pulled away with someone on board? Bet you never thought about that did you Rik

Son.  

In this case the horse stop being treated as matter and become the mind.
A weak mind however.
Bet you never thought about that did you Cod?