(March 10, 2018 at 2:21 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 1:44 pm)Banned Wrote: No such thing.

You sure about that?

Nature is animated by life.

If you observe nature and say it is self organising, then that's your perception, and you can believe it is true and even test it to be true.
Nature will continue to behave the way it does, and you'll continue in your beliefs as long as you like.
But at the end of the day, every other physical action in the environment does not show self organisation. Otherwise you would just wait until the dishes clean themselves, and you wouldn't plan anything, because life will make it happen for you.

The only reason nature can appear to be organising itself, is if you don't recognise the power that made it and maintains it.

It is like a person who has never seen a motorcar, and proclaims that the wheels make the car move along.
Is that true? yes absolutely.
But is it the wheels or the engine that powers the car?

You are saying it's the wheels.

Fine, you are entitled to think what you like, the world is made for you to enjoy.

So Banned, correct me I am not understanding what you believe here, you genuinely think that every snowflake in a snowstorm is being intelligently designed and directed? That if I roll a ball down a slope then something is intelligently directing it to the lowest point of the ground?

(March 10, 2018 at 2:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Do you know what a magnet is? A magnet self-organizes into north and south poles. According to you, magnets don't exist. You're a fucking moron.

Do you know what causes magnetism?

The question isn't an invitation for you to mock the Creator, which is what you'll be tempted to do.

I want to answer what you think makes a magnet work, look up a reference if you like, because you certainly have not discovered it yourself - you'll have to borrow the information won't you?

Your comparing unlike processes .These examples are moronic . And yes nature shows plenty of examples of self assembly and formation .

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Quote:Do you know what causes magnetism?

The question isn't an invitation for you to mock the Creator, which is what you'll be tempted to do.

I want to answer what you think makes a magnet work, look up a reference if you like, because you certainly have not discovered it yourself - you'll have to borrow the information won't you?

Lol hey everyone magnets are magic apparently.And that was not her point .

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Quote:Nature is animated by life.

No it's not 

One example I love regularly happens in my handbag. I never actually put the caps on my USB sticks, I just chuck both the cap and the USB into the same pocket. If I don't use the USB stick for several weeks, then by the time I take it out the cap has normally found its way back onto the USB stick.

(March 10, 2018 at 2:46 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yet more ignorance

You don't have to announce that you never thought about what was posted.

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(March 10, 2018 at 2:48 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You are awesomely ignorant.

Yes, I am very ignorant about evolution.

(March 10, 2018 at 3:01 pm)Banned Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 2:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Do you know what a magnet is?  A magnet self-organizes into north and south poles.  According to you, magnets don't exist.  You're a fucking moron.

Do you know what causes magnetism?

The question isn't an invitation for you to mock the Creator, which is what you'll be tempted to do.

I want to answer what you think makes a magnet work, look up a reference if you like, because you certainly have not discovered it yourself - you'll have to borrow the information won't you?

This has fuckall to do with the point I was making. Because you can't answer the objection, you change the subject. Fuckwit. Answer the point or don't.

Quote:You don't have to announce that you never thought about what was posted.

There was nothing to think about. From the first word to the last you posted a heap of ignorant nonsense so feeble it took 2 seconds to see it's glaring flaws . And i call them such .

(March 10, 2018 at 2:58 pm)Mathilda Wrote: So Banned, correct me I am not understanding what you believe here, you genuinely think that every snowflake in a snowstorm is being intelligently designed and directed? That if I roll a ball down a slope then something is intelligently directing it to the lowest point of the ground?

That's a good question.
Does God play dice...? Yes and no.

The universe is designed, from the smallest component to the movement of the whole thing, to have a very wide range of optional behavior, and to have prefered behavior due to an attraction, which we observe as the path of least resistance.

That model allows freedom and variety, but also precision and predictability.
It is mathematically clean - laws of probability and randomness come into it as much as patterns and order.

The end result is beauty and harmony, or aptness - which is demonstated by special geometry, proportions and ratios, symmetry, etc. as well as every relation and system of relations from the material to the organic.

The universe was designed for God, to be independent and responsive.

Which is another way of saying there is no reason to believe it's there .Because the universe looks the same without him .