Not another fucking stupid shroud thread?

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http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/en...till_fake/

Quote:Actual shroud “blood” samples have been shown, by internationally known forensic serologists (blood experts), to fail all of the microscopical, chemical, biological, and instrumental tests for blood—not surprisingly, since the stains were suspiciously still red and artistically “picturelike.” One expert found traces of apparent paint, and famed microanalyst Walter C. McCrone (1996) identified the “blood” as red ocher and vermilion pigments in a collagen tempera medium.

Fuck.  Let's draw the assholes out for some fun and games.

Also, Jewish burial practice proscribes that bodies (especially those brutalised the way Jesus was described as) are to be cleaned before being wrapped in their shroud. If the Shroud of Turin was genuine, it should not have Christ's blood on it.

They also found this under the microscope... It may or may not shed some light on the shroud's authenticity

I'm glad you posed this as a question.

The answer is a big fat NO!

No. Despite what shouty idiot is probably saying in his you tube conspiracy theory channel the shroud of Turin is an 11th cejturu fraud and will remain so until it is lost or destroyed.

OP, I thought that NDEs were the only reason you remain a Christian? Were you not telling us the truth when you said that, or is this recent new information for you?

(April 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm)orthodox-man Wrote: Question from Bubsy:

this is a question I found on "AsktheAtheist" and I would like to get some of your impressions. Jesus was only in a tomb for 3 days, and yet the shroud seems very impressive! 

"I suggest you watch this video, which is a summary video that shows all the relevant articles from 2009 upwards instead of going to the articles one by one. It’s faster and easier. [2018 UPDATE! SHROUD OF TURIN REVEALS SECRETS | STRANGE END TIMES SIGNS () Within it at the 3:25 minute marker it has information on: The ultraviolet light necessary to do so “exceeds the maximum number release from all ultra-violet light sources available today” and It would require “pulses having durations shorter than one-forthy-billionth of a second, and intensities on the order of several billion watts” ***********

Back to my point: * The evidence they have found is that the image is no oil painting and it is caused by light in the UVB range at burst of several million micro seconds and energy release of everal billion kilowatts. * Science has literally confirmed it is a crucified man and that the image has been produced by no natural light but a light that is several billion kw of energy and bursts of light as short as a millionth of a second. * It was highly superficial but strong enough to cause an imprint. * Christian imagines what Jesus looks like and this comes indirectly from the Shroud image that was responsible for most of the early portraits of Jesus from 300 A.D. Therefore: Since our greatest minds can not conceive of how the image was made except by supernatural means, perhaps logic dictates the Shroud is physical evidence of a supernatural event – the resurrection of Jesus."

Thoughts about the light burst?

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The quoted figures are not from an examination of the shroud itself, but from attempts to replicate the result. The final efforts were close, but not complete matches. All this shows is that if you assume the shroud had to be created by a burst of light, then startling conclusions may follow. But the problem lies in that initial assumption that the shroud could only have been produced in that manner. We don't know how the shroud image was produced, and we may never know. That doesn't justify any conclusion other than agnosticism about the shroud's origin. What we do know is that radiocarbon dating indicates that the shroud is far less than the required two thousand years old. Partisans of the authenticity of the shroud don't like that, and so they attempt to cast doubt upon the dating itself. This is nothing more than an example of shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.

Quote:Di Lazzaro and his colleagues at Italy’s National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development (ENEA) conducted five years of experiments, using state-of-the-art excimer lasers to train short bursts of ultraviolet light on raw linen, in an effort to simulate the image’s coloration. The ENEA team, which published its findings in 2011, came tantalizingly close to approximating the image’s distinctive hue on a few square centimeters of fabric. But they were unable to match all the physical and chemical characteristics of the shroud image. Nor could they reproduce a whole human figure.

The ultraviolet light necessary to do so “exceeds the maximum power released by all ultraviolet light sources available today,” says Di Lazzaro. It would require “pulses having durations shorter than one forty-billionth of a second, and intensities on the order of several billion watts.”

If the most advanced technologies available in the 21st century could not produce a facsimile of the shroud image, he reasons, how could it have been executed by a medieval forger?

Why Shroud of Turin's Secrets Continue to Elude Science

Okay, do this: Look a globe. You see, perhaps, the Americas, but you don't see the Middle East. If the shroud had been wrapped about the dead Jew's head you would see the back of his head. Instead you just see the front, like looking at a globe.

The people that gen'd up that shroud thought their audience would be completely gullible, and they were right.

(April 8, 2018 at 5:14 am)Wololo Wrote: No. Despite what shouty idiot is probably saying in his you tube conspiracy theory channel the shroud of Turin is an 11th cejturu fraud and will remain so until it is lost or destroyed.

Actually, that's a bit harsh since we do not know the intention of the artist.  The fraud may come from later church fucks trying to pass it off as something to awe the dolts and pick up some spare change from the poor fools?

For all we know the original piece may have been intended as a prop in a passion play.  We do know that it was first exhibited in Lirey, France in 1355.  It sure as shit did not look like it looks today:




because no one standing more than a few feet away from it could see anything.  What we have is a poorly preserved and highly faded piece of medieval artwork which, if some dumb fuck hadn't taken a photo of it and played mind games with the negative would be sitting in a closet somewhere without all these phony assholes making absurd claims about it.

(April 8, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Okay, do this: Look a globe. You see, perhaps, the Americas, but you don't see the Middle East. If the shroud had been wrapped about the dead Jew's head you would see the back of his head. Instead you just see the front, like looking at a globe.

The people that gen'd up that shroud thought their audience would be completely gullible, and they were right.

Nailed!

And no explanation for the lack of wraparound distortion.
And he's taller on the back than he is on the front.
And the top of his head is missing making him only ~three inches thick.
And one arm is longer than the other.
And they are both too long anyway. Try it, lay on your back and try to cover your wedding tackle with both your hands. You can't do it.
And the blood flow defies gravity.
And why is a corpse bleeding anyway?
And there is no other example of that three in one herringbone weave dating to the 1st century.

And pencils.

No wait, I mean lead, no that's not right, I mean diamond, or is it graphite? No, I mean soot. Yes that's it, soot!
I think the term I'm looking for is Carbon 14. Or is it 12?

The linen the holy beach towel is made of gasped its last breath; AD1260- 1390.





And I'm pretty sure I'll go to my grave never knowing why educated people believe this shit.