Proof that the laws of logic do not depend on God:

1. By definition, God is omnipotent.
2. By definition, Omnipotent means being able to do anything logically possible.
3. If the laws of logic depend on God, then the laws of logic were either created by God, or they are a consequence of his nature.
4. Suppose that God created the laws of logic:
a) If God created the laws of logic, then God can change the laws of logic;
b) If God can change the laws of logic, he can make the logically impossible be logically possible;
c) If so, then God can do the logically impossible, in contradiction with #2;
d) therefore, God did not create the laws of logic.
5. Suppose that the laws of logic are dependent on God's nature:
a) If God can change his nature, then the same thing as in #4 applies, then God can again make the logically impossible into the logically possible, again violating #2.
b) If God cannot change his nature, then God changing his nature is logically impossible;
c) If so, then the laws of logic are independent of God, as God is constrained by logic, not the reverse;
d) Therefore, the laws of logic are not dependent on God's nature.
6. Therefore 3 is false (by 4 and 5).
7. Therefore the laws of logic do not depend on God.

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Proof that TAG doesn't hold (attributed to Timothy Pew):

If TAG is true, then that logic depends upon the existence of God must be true. Therefore, for any logical syllogism to be true, the premise that God exists must be true. Thus, "God exists" must be asserted first, otherwise we have no reason to believe the conclusion, as we have no reason to assume that the laws of logic are even valid. If our first premise is that God exists, and our conclusion is that God exists, then we have begged the question, and the proof is invalid. Therefore the TAG's conclusion that God exists does not hold.

(June 2, 2018 at 12:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 12:29 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: "God by definition is god" is not very helpful is it.
Brexit means Brexit.
Flibblejim means flibblejim.

What is a god? s
What is it made of?
Where did it come from?
How did it do the things its supposed to?
Why did it do them?
Where is your evidence for all the above?

It doesn't matter what is as far apathy goes, since by definition it is "God", it doesn't make sense to be apathetic towards it, rather, one must strive to find out whether it exists or doesn't.

But what is it?

(June 2, 2018 at 1:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 12:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It doesn't matter what is as far apathy goes, since by definition it is "God", it doesn't make sense to be apathetic towards it, rather, one must strive to find out whether it exists or doesn't.

But what is it?

What do you mean by "what", do you mean what the word "God" means or what the word represents and points to, what is the details of that?

(June 2, 2018 at 1:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 1:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: But what is it?

What do you mean by "what", do you mean what the word "God" means or what the word represents and points to, what is the details of that?

(June 2, 2018 at 12:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It doesn't matter what is as far apathy goes, since by definition it is "God", it doesn't make sense to be apathetic towards it, rather, one must strive to find out whether it exists or doesn't.

Meh, nope.  It;s your baby, you can do all the striving.  I don;t actually care one way or the other.  It makes no difference to me and theres nothing I can do about it yay or nay.

(June 2, 2018 at 1:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 1:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: But what is it?

What do you mean by "what", do you mean what the word "God" means or what the word represents and points to, what is the details of that?

Both. 
People use the word god for all sorts of things. 
But what is it?