(June 24, 2018 at 10:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 10:01 pm)Astreja Wrote: And why should I take the Quran seriously?  It's just a book.

It has a very good argument why you should.

And I reject the Quran; therefore, I reject its arguments as well.  It's just a book.

(June 24, 2018 at 10:03 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 10:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It has a very good argument why you should.

And I reject the Quran; therefore, I reject its arguments as well.  It's just a book.

You reject what you don't even understand and perceive, and that which it's interpretation and light has yet come to you.

(June 24, 2018 at 10:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You reject what you don't even understand and perceive, and that which it's interpretation and light has yet come to you.

I understand the Quran better than you, MK.  I see it for the plagiarized, pretentious fear-mongering mythology that it is.

(June 24, 2018 at 10:05 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 10:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You reject what you don't even understand and perceive, and that which it's interpretation and light has yet come to you.

I understand the Quran better than you, MK.  I see it for the plagiarized, pretentious fear-mongering mythology that it is.

You don't understand Quran and trying to put out it's light by projecting your ignorant conjecture on it.

(June 24, 2018 at 10:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 10:03 pm)Astreja Wrote: And I reject the Quran; therefore, I reject its arguments as well.  It's just a book.

You reject what you don't even understand and perceive, and that which it's interpretation and light has yet come to you.

No, no.  The onus is on you to demonstrate that your holy book’s claims are factual.  If you can’t do that, then we have no reason to believe it accurately reflects reality. You don’t get to say, “assuming the Quran is true...therefore...”

(June 24, 2018 at 10:06 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 10:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You reject what you don't even understand and perceive, and that which it's interpretation and light has yet come to you.

No, no.  The onus is on you to demonstrate that your holy book is factual.  If you can’t do that, then we have no reason to believe it accurately reflects reality.

It's upon me to prove only if it's upon you to listen. You say the problem is me not proving, but I think the problem is you guys don't know how to listen.

Anyways, this is what I'm attempting to do. So you are going to give me time and let elaborate on how the Quran proves the proper path and proves itself.

Your holy book is vicious-minded crap, MK. Calling me "ignorant" will not fix that. At the end of the day you're still stuck with a belief system with an irreconcilable conflict: A supposedly benevolent and compassionate god that tortures non-believers.

(June 24, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 9:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You are not trying to understand. I'm saying the living name of God which is his word of light and truth brought to life, is the proof.

Rubbish.  Utter rubbish.  I see no evidence at all for your god, just believers who for some reason are desperate to convince non-believers and who cannot meet the non-believers' evidentiary requirements.

  You better just believe, infidel!

I am pleased to report that in most  a lot of the world, the first portion of this post is considered barbaric. Would that it was all that way. It's part of why I make comments that are based on Norse Mythology. Eventually, some poor person is going to look at it and think, "AHA!, maybe I ought to look at my religion more closely".

(June 24, 2018 at 10:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 10:06 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: No, no.  The onus is on you to demonstrate that your holy book is factual.  If you can’t do that, then we have no reason to believe it accurately reflects reality.

It's upon me to prove only if it's upon you to listen. You say the problem is me not proving, but I think the problem is you guys don't know how to listen.

Anyways, this is what I'm attempting to do. So you are going to give me time and let elaborate on how the Quran proves the proper path and proves itself.

I’ve been listening for two years, MK.  What evidence do you have that the claims of the Quran are actually true?  

P.S. You can’t cite the Quran in your response because that would be circular reasoning.

(June 24, 2018 at 10:08 pm)Fireball Wrote:   You better just believe, infidel!

I am pleased to report that in most  a lot of the world, the first portion of this post is considered barbaric. Would that it was all that way. It's part of why I make comments that are based on Norse Mythology. Eventually, some poor person is going to look at it and think, "AHA!, maybe I ought to look at my religion more closely".

Norse mythology I actually respect.  It has a sense of humour and it values action over belief.