(June 25, 2018 at 9:32 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Atheists however assert a lot of things all the time. And when they do, isn’t it easonable to ask why they believe that?

Then you need to take that up with the specific atheist who is making incorrect assumptions. It is not logical to attack the idea of atheism when all atheism is is a lack of belief in a god or gods.

(June 26, 2018 at 10:02 pm)PRJA93 Wrote:

(June 25, 2018 at 9:32 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Atheists however assert a lot of things all the time. And when they do, isn’t it easonable to ask why they believe that?

Then you need to take that up with the specific atheist who is making incorrect assumptions. It is not logical to attack the idea of atheism when all atheism is is a lack of belief in a god or gods.

I agree, and I do.... I only have issues when the equivocate to the definition to avoid their claims.

(June 26, 2018 at 10:19 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 10:02 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: Then you need to take that up with the specific atheist who is making incorrect assumptions. It is not logical to attack the idea of atheism when all atheism is is a lack of belief in a god or gods.

I agree, and I do.... I only have issues when the equivocate to the definition to avoid their claims.

Your post that quoted suggests quite the opposite.

Otherwise, your statement is about as useful as saying the sky is blue. Sure, atheists assert things all of the time. So do Christians, Buddhists, Jainists, Jews, Muslims, etc.

(June 26, 2018 at 11:05 pm)PRJA93 Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 10:19 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I agree, and I do.... I only have issues when the equivocate to the definition to avoid their claims.

Your post that quoted suggests quite the opposite.

Otherwise, your statement is about as useful as saying the sky is blue. Sure, atheists assert things all of the time. So do Christians, Buddhists, Jainists, Jews, Muslims, etc.

That was the point, when atheists make assertions about God or Christians, or anything else it is reasonable to ask them why they believe that! If they call Christians delusional, or claim the Bible is fiction or just stories, then that is making an assertion. I find that many atheists have trouble not making assertions about what they believe (at least on the internets). And many of the same will run to a false equivocation of the definition above, when confronted. While not always it often seems like a cop out. There is a lot of pseudo skepticism around. That was all I was commenting on. If that doesn’t apply to you....then good

Bumping this up to give you another shot at answering my question if you're interested, RR.

(June 26, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(June 25, 2018 at 9:32 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Atheists however assert a lot of things all the time. And when they do, isn’t it easonable to ask why they believe that?

For example I'm an atheist who asserts that Trump is an even bigger disaster as a president than he is as a human being.  Did you want to ask why I believe that?  I assume you realize that what I believe about Trump and pretty nearly everything else is independent of my not believing gods have any existence independent of the people's heads who believe in them.  Can you think of anything which all atheists must believe in common based only on our not believing in gods?

(June 26, 2018 at 11:29 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That was the point, when atheists make assertions about God or Christians, or anything else it is reasonable to ask them why they believe that!  If they call Christians delusional, or claim the Bible is fiction or just stories, then that is making an assertion.  I find that many atheists have trouble not making assertions about what they believe (at least on the internets).  And many of the same will run to a false equivocation of the definition above, when confronted.  While not always it often seems like a cop out. There is a lot of pseudo skepticism around. That was all I was commenting on.  If that doesn’t apply to you....then good

Ok...? Many Christians also make assertions about god. You're saying a whole lot of nothing.

(June 26, 2018 at 4:54 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 4:34 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Wait for it...different atheists can have different reasons for not accepting some particular evidence as supporting some particular claim.

An my point is that atheists do make claims and hold beliefs about that evidence. Perhaps different claims, but the simple non-belief thing is nonsense.

*my bold*

So are there reasons why you believe the non-belief thing is nonsense beyond your own assumption that what is of paramount importance to you requires serious consideration from everyone else?

I personally find the question of why god belief has been so prominent for so long to be pretty fascinating.  I think it is glib to assume that it is just superstition.  But people are entitled to follow their own interests, aren't they?  If they aren't curious about god belief, that is really their prerogative.

For me the question of whether literal gods actually exist is something I dismiss without much consideration.  But wh so many others do not has my attention.

(June 26, 2018 at 11:36 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Bumping this up to give you another shot at answering my question if you're interested, RR.

(June 26, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Whateverist Wrote: For example I'm an atheist who asserts that Trump is an even bigger disaster as a president than he is as a human being.  Did you want to ask why I believe that?  I assume you realize that what I believe about Trump and pretty nearly everything else is independent of my not believing gods have any existence independent of the people's heads who believe in them.  Can you think of anything which all atheists must believe in common based only on our not believing in gods?

Did you take the opinions vs facts quiz. And I agreed, that atheists can be truly skeptical.

(June 26, 2018 at 11:43 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 11:36 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Bumping this up to give you another shot at answering my question if you're interested, RR.

Did you take the opinions vs facts quiz.  And I agreed, that atheists can be truly skeptical.

I don't recall taking that quiz.  Is it in this thread?

But then can you not think of anything every atheist must believe in common based only on their not believing in God/gods?  If you can't think of an example, can you tell me why you think that?

Quote:That was the point, when atheists make assertions about God or Christians, or anything else it is reasonable to ask them why they believe that! If they call Christians delusional, or claim the Bible is fiction or just stories, then that is making an assertion. I find that many atheists have trouble not making assertions about what they believe (at least on the internets). And many of the same will run to a false equivocation of the definition above, when confronted. While not always it often seems like a cop out. There is a lot of pseudo skepticism around. That was all I was commenting on. If that doesn’t apply to you....then good

Asserting shit without a lick of evidence is delusional . And no that's not an assertion sorry 

If you can't demonstrate that truth of the bible why would i not call them fiction or just stories . And again that's not an assertion 

And none of those are beliefs they are conclusions drawn for your failures .So again your wrong .

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Quote:Did you take the opinions vs facts quiz. And I agreed, that atheists can be truly skeptical.

Atheism by definition is true skepticism and no you have no business saying who's a skeptic .