(June 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:05 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

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Forum is a place to discuss these things.  You guys demand evidence and then act irrationally and stubbornly and refuse to listen properly when evidence is presented.

Why are you evading? Is there a chance that I've hit on something more than conjecture?

If you discussions here are so acceptable why do you not discuss them IRL?

Because people take offense to talking about this in real life, is why, but I do talk about it sometimes, not a lot.

(June 27, 2018 at 11:10 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Why are you evading? Is there a chance that I've hit on something more than conjecture?

If you discussions here are so acceptable why do you not discuss them IRL?

Because people take offense to talking about this in real life, is why, but I do talk about it sometimes, not a lot.

Then it appears that I do have something more than conjecture. 

It also appears that you consider it OK to preach and offend us, repeatedly. Why do you think that behavior should be anymore acceptable on the forum? Why should we accept your continued obsessive indulgence and claims of superiority? 

Answer the question, do you tell your mental health treatment professionals about your behavior here? If yes, what have they told you regarding this behavior.

Chapter-The Cow continued...

The Quran then says "and those who keep up the connection/daily prayer".


The ritual prayer is highly connected to the Surah before, and so it is mentioned right after belief in the unseen. This is a serious hint that vision of the unseen requires us to attempt and try to connect.

The name of God is something that God alone has the right to name himself by.  We aren't to create God or his name in our imagination. Rather, the daily prayers are a means to connect to God through his hidden name.

His hidden name although beyond vision is also manifest and within vision or otherwise, a connection would not be possible. This is why the first thing mentioned after belief in that which has been hidden, which we saw other verses refers to the proof and guide of our time and we await the days his light becomes clear and manifest to the whole world, as it's the holy spirit and name of God that is by which victory is to be achieved.

Another thing that is important, is that Salah explicitly in all it's details has not been explained by Quran, rather it's been explained in a subtle interior way. Thus right away we see a reason why the name of God needs to be coupled with the Quran to be a guidance, because, the name of God is a position held by the Prophet and his family.

They are to compliment the Quran, and for example, explain the details of Salah and help perceive those explicit details within the philosophy and reasoning of Quran and in complementary way of Quran.

The hidden details of Salah are within Quran and explicitly brought out through those who God has vested his authority and name in.  The connection like God's Name is not something we decide, rather, God knows the path of ascension and best way of connection to him.

Suratal Fatiha is repeated in Salah, and it's the heart of the connection.  It said by Ahlulbayt (as) the greatest Surah is Suratal Fatiha (the Opening ie. the 1st chapter of Quran) and it is said the greatest verse it has is "by the name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful". In fact, it sets the tone of the Quran.

God's name is just a reminder of God, but ultimately, while it's just that, it's God greatest favor upon us, and the means to connect to him.

The generous nature of God favoring us with connection to him, and teaching us way in the outward and inward, to connect to him, requires us to be compassionate and generous to others.

"and those who of what we given them of sustenance spend." It said while this definitely includes wealth, the greater emphasis it has in this place is spreading knowledge and not hiding the truth from the masses, but generously giving others the knowledge we been given. It also includes spending wealth definitely, but with the place of the "that which has been hidden" it refers primarily through valuing that which is hidden more then this world, to the extent we do spend wealth but more importantly, spread our knowledge.

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(June 27, 2018 at 11:19 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:10 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Because people take offense to talking about this in real life, is why, but I do talk about it sometimes, not a lot.

Then it appears that I do have something more than conjecture. 

It also appears that you consider it OK to preach and offend us, repeatedly. Why do you think that behavior should be anymore acceptable on the forum? Why should we accept your continued obsessive indulgence and claims of superiority? 

Answer the question, do you tell your mental health treatment professionals about your behavior here? If yes, what have they told you regarding this behavior.

This is a place that claims it is meant for these dialogues. I'm not sure what they would say. I don't think my Doctor would really care.

(June 27, 2018 at 11:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

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(June 27, 2018 at 11:19 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Then it appears that I do have something more than conjecture. 

It also appears that you consider it OK to preach and offend us, repeatedly. Why do you think that behavior should be anymore acceptable on the forum? Why should we accept your continued obsessive indulgence and claims of superiority? 

Answer the question, do you tell your mental health treatment professionals about your behavior here? If yes, what have they told you regarding this behavior.

This is a place that claims it is meant for these dialogues. I'm not sure what they would say. I don't think my Doctor would really care.

Actually no, you should not consider this a place for indulging obsessive behavior and preaching (preaching is not dialogue). 

Then you haven't told your doctor. Can you tell us why not? Your time/activity here seems to reflect a huge part of your psyche and should be included in your treatment. Are you hiding behavior from them that you know they would tell you to stop/change?

(June 27, 2018 at 11:36 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

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This is a place that claims it is meant for these dialogues. I'm not sure what they would say. I don't think my Doctor would really care.

Actually no, you should not consider this a place for indulging obsessive behavior and preaching (preaching is not dialogue). 

Then you haven't told your doctor. Can you tell us why not? Your time/activity here seems to reflect a huge part of your psyche and should be included in your treatment. Are you hiding behavior from them that you know they would tell you to stop/change?

This thread is about proving Quran. All I'm doing is connecting verses with one another, through reasoning. I believe if we connect the verses together through reasoning, at the end of it, it will be obvious it is from God.

So let me try to prove the case. If you don't like it, no one said you have to read or respond to the thread.

Reading some folks here makes me yet again ebullient that I was not raised in a religious household.

(June 27, 2018 at 11:38 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Reading some folks here makes me yet again ebullient that I was not raised in a religious household.

God happens not to only be sufficient for his servants but the best reward. You chosen the path leading away from him.

(June 27, 2018 at 10:38 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 10:17 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: How would we know that?  Well, we keep asking you for external evidence for your book...ya know...something we might actually find persuasive in support of that book’s claims...but you can’t seem to present any.  That’s how we know.

So you basically lay the conditions of proof and won't listen to what the proof is.

If it's from a religious text, a story, a personal anecdote, or a daydream about some special light that only "believers" can access but can never prove . . . it's not proof.  It's fantasy, period.

You might as well be asserting that your dog speaks to you in your dreams and tells you the secrets of the universe.  Until we hear that dog speak for ourselves, you're simply delusional.

(June 27, 2018 at 11:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:36 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Actually no, you should not consider this a place for indulging obsessive behavior and preaching (preaching is not dialogue). 

Then you haven't told your doctor. Can you tell us why not? Your time/activity here seems to reflect a huge part of your psyche and should be included in your treatment. Are you hiding behavior from them that you know they would tell you to stop/change?

This thread is about proving Quran. All I'm doing is connecting verses with one another, through reasoning. I believe if we connect the verses together through reasoning, at the end of it, it will be obvious it is from God.

So let me try to prove the case. If you don't like it, no one said you have to read or respond to the thread.

No, this is about you indulging your  obsessive behavior with preaching and superiority. 

You said "I don't think my Doctor would really care." Do you understand that your condition is a thought (thinking) disorder? Try telling your doctor about your activities here. Let them see for themselves by telling them about the forum and find out if they really care. Or do you fear this suggestion?

(June 27, 2018 at 11:43 am)drfuzzy Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 10:38 am)MysticKnight Wrote: So you basically lay the conditions of proof and won't listen to what the proof is.

If it's from a religious text, a story, a personal anecdote, or a daydream about some special light that only "believers" can access but can never prove . . . it's not proof.  It's fantasy, period.

You might as well be asserting that your dog speaks to you in your dreams and tells you the secrets of the universe.  Until we hear that dog speak for ourselves, you're simply delusional.

The nature of goodness is something all humans have access to. There is only one possible way of that to be, and we know God and goodness go together.  I've discussed why in in so many arguments and ways, but this is about Quran, not about proving God. This is how Quran proves and reminds of God. Whether you accept it or believe, it's up to you. I am talking about Quran and will make the case for it to be from God.

The Quran and name of God go together, Quran and Ahlulbayt (as) go together, and goodness the heart of it, it's essence, and it's outward designation as well, is the love of the family of the reminder.

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(June 27, 2018 at 11:46 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This thread is about proving Quran. All I'm doing is connecting verses with one another, through reasoning. I believe if we connect the verses together through reasoning, at the end of it, it will be obvious it is from God.

So let me try to prove the case. If you don't like it, no one said you have to read or respond to the thread.

No, this is about you indulging your  obsessive behavior with preaching and superiority. 

You said "I don't think my Doctor would really care." Do you understand that your condition is a thought (thinking) disorder? Try telling your doctor about your activities here. Let them see for themselves by telling them about the forum and find out if they really care. Or do you fear this suggestion?

My affliction of madness is not by the favor of God, which I fight it and will God willingly defeat it once and for all. The favor of God, and all that perception that comes out of connecting to the beautiful names of God who are the family of the reminder, is a means to defeat all mental illnesses, not a source.